Maybe not then Stuart, regarding Maurice's thoughts.

Maybe he too doesn't want to be accused repeatedly of cross threading! 😂😂😂

There is one well known person on the unmentionable forum, who was selling Derann Super 8 films on cores. The original spools were probably sold separately.

I am not at all with that last comment here sorry Robert. I didn't understand it's relevance in what is being talked about here sorry.

I do know that Kevin Brown will not touch Elmo projectors, I think it's lack of spare parts, I do know someone who is friendly with him and he will only service certain 16mm projectors, I believe B&H's & Elf's.

Lack of spares it is then Del, as suspected.

I know he will look at B&H, Eike and Elfs, but there are surely many many more than just these few machines out there that require the skills of someone who may have a chance of fixing them.

I can confirm that to.
When i rang Mr Brown in Devember he said as long as its elf or b&h he can repair and service as he enough spares for them. He cant get any spares for the Elmos.

Such a shame Tom.

Andrew, we were talking about sellers selling off bits and pieces to make extra money, so someone puts the films on cores, then sells the spools separately.

Yes but wasn't that being discussed on another thread as opposed to this one Robert?

At least now I get where you are coming from though Robert, so thanks for clarifying.
It really belonged on the end of Del's Ha ha ha comment I feel.

Sorry Andrew. I know Dixons sold at least two 16mm projectors that I think were only available from them. No chance of getting them serviced. Andrew it's what they call a senior moment; your time will come

I am already there Robert for most of the time!

Robert,

Thank you for taking the time to create and share the PDF file of the test report from the August 1977 issue of Movie Maker--This will be very interesting to read! I have the Kodak CT-1000 projector which is essentially the same as the Elmo 16-CL as far as I understand.

You're very welcome Greg. That's very interesting; do you think they were made by Elmo and badged Kodak?

Robert,
I have heard this from several different sources--of course, I have nothing "official" that confirms this coming from a Kodak source.
Here is one informal reference:
https://16mmfilminfo.com/ct1000.html
I would guess someone else here on the forum may have more info--one way or another.

More importantly, if you compare the picture of the Elmo interior from the projector review article you posted, with this picture of my Kodak, they look awfully similar.....



What is interesting is that my Kodak has a three-bladed shutter--not two as in the Elmo review. Of course, specs can change over the run of manufacture. Also, the review indicates 1600 ft. reel capacity. I think that may be inaccurate as the Kodak can handle 2000 or 2300 ft. reels (with smaller hub).

It's interesting Greg, as over in the other forum as we call it, under Manuals, it's got the instruction manual, but also lists it as an Elmo 16CL. At one time I believe Elmo had some connection with the Ilford Photographic Company in England, and Ilford were the main rivals to Kodak for years, though they specialised in B&W film. Yes, it does look identical Greg, and having a 3 blade shutter, will be fine for showing films at 18fps without flicker.

I'm sure this is the Elmo model they use to use at the college i went to during my apprenticeship years, i always remember how unbelievably quite it was when it was running.
From i gather these are excellent machines, spares are hard to find but they are good work horses, like there junior counter parts.
The only thing i wish my Elf had was a 3 pin claw, but happy with what we have.

16-CL was a rebranded OEM for the EKC.

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Stuart, there is the service manual here, you can download it free. https://issuu.com/filmmaker8.com/docs/el...-service-manual

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Added a PDF of this report.

The 16-CL was also sold as a Kodak Ektagraphic CT 1000.
https://van-eck.net/en/spare-part-finder...raphic%20CT1000

Cool to read! The 16 CL is my 16mm workhorse :-)

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Robert,
I have heard this from several different sources--of course, I have nothing "official" that confirms this coming from a Kodak source.

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What is interesting is that my Kodak has a three-bladed shutter--not two as in the Elmo review. Of course, specs can change over the run of manufacture. Also, the review indicates 1600 ft. reel capacity. I think that may be inaccurate as the Kodak can handle 2000 or 2300 ft. reels (with smaller hub).

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I just read the Test Report. I'd bet that the reel capacity info was a mistake/typo.

Regarding the 2-bladed shutter, perhaps that was for the Euro-version of the machine. I noticed that dollar amounts were posted in Pound Sterling.

Regarding their cons: I actually prefer that framing method, and it is the same one used on my B&H/Eiki 16mm machine. Releveling the projector takes a mere seconds. What I like is that there are less moving parts on the intermittent/claw. As I've mentioned in my thread about adjusting where the claw pins enter the sprocket holes of the film on the Sankyo 2000H, on some films you need to adjust the framer so much that the claw pins brush up against the side of the film, causing image shakiness. This is because the claw moves on an arc, so the claw pins entrance point moves horizontally as well as vertrically when using the framer.

One thing I can say about old test reports -- new test reports are better because we see how well a machines has survived over the last 40 - 60 years. these test reports were done on brand-spanking-new machines before wear has occurred that can do things like stopping the projector from running at all, to scratching films due to wear at the gate and on the film guides. Hindsight is 20/20!

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Stuart, there is the service manual here, you can download it free. https://issuu.com/filmmaker8.com/docs/el...-service-manual

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Dear Friends,

This guy "FilmMaker8" on Issuu was downloaded my documents on Scribd years ago and deleted my stamp on the last pages of each document. I am OK with that, BUT disabling the download feature is totally a shame.

So, if you need anything just tell me, including his documents. All I have.

Best,

Erkan

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