Elmo 16CL Test Report.

#1 by Robert Crewdson ( deleted ) , Fri Mar 23, 2018 6:25 pm



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RE: Elmo 16CL Test Report.

#2 by Andrew Woodcock ( deleted ) , Fri Mar 23, 2018 6:29 pm

Strange how this machine comes as standard, only with a two bladed shutter I thought.

Great post though Robert and reviews such as these are precisely what we like to see posted in our forum. Well done Robert! 😊😊


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RE: Elmo 16CL Test Report.

#3 by Robert Crewdson ( deleted ) , Fri Mar 23, 2018 6:31 pm

The image when enlarged is upside down. I don't know anything about shutters Andrew. I thought I would post as it's a very popular model. Myself I am a B&H fan.



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RE: Elmo 16CL Test Report.

#4 by Andrew Woodcock ( deleted ) , Fri Mar 23, 2018 6:32 pm

I presume they assumed that the machine would only ever be used at 24fps Robert.

It does flag up as being one aspect of this machines performance that the reviewer's did not like. That and the difficulty in switching over to 18fps in general, quite besides the obvious resulting flicker after doing so.

If it were my own, I'd not be too keen on the 2 pole a.c. induction motor used in this application either.
D.C. motors are far more stable and controllable for this purpose.


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RE: Elmo 16CL Test Report.

#5 by Robert Crewdson ( deleted ) , Fri Mar 23, 2018 6:43 pm

One thing I don't like about Eiki/Elf 16mm machines is that you have to unscrew the back to change the running speed. The B&H are like the Eumigs, you just change a knob on the outside. While you might not have many films that run at 18fps, not being able to is a big minus.



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RE: Elmo 16CL Test Report.

#6 by Andrew Woodcock ( deleted ) , Fri Mar 23, 2018 6:53 pm

I agree Robert, you'd think it would have the facility for both.
Does yours have a three bladed shutter Robert?


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RE: Elmo 16CL Test Report.

#7 by Robert Crewdson ( deleted ) , Fri Mar 23, 2018 7:02 pm

I believe so Andrew; I do have a number of old silent films, and have shot a few reels of 16mm myself. Just been checking B&Hs models, they did do a few with two blade shutters, but these ran at 24fps only.



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RE: Elmo 16CL Test Report.

#8 by Del Phillipson , Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:17 pm

Thank you Robert, all their likes ticked all my boxes too and I can live with the dislikes. Personally I think it's a great projector, just need a new flippin lens to give me a bigger picture


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RE: Elmo 16CL Test Report.

#9 by Andrew Woodcock ( deleted ) , Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:50 pm

What I do like from this report is the praise given to the brightness levels from this machine. With its modern day low voltage high brightness halogen lamp, 2 blade shutter and then quite a fast lens for a 16mm machine, I bet the brightness levels are very good indeed from this lightweight and compact 16mm machine.


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RE: Elmo 16CL Test Report.

#10 by Robert Crewdson ( deleted ) , Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:53 pm

It's a popular projector, but I put it up for you Del, as I figured that was the model you had. Movie Maker always had their likes and dislikes.



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RE: Elmo 16CL Test Report.

#11 by Andrew Woodcock ( deleted ) , Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:57 pm

Del has one now and I know it's one of Vidar's personal favourites too!

540 lumens, is a very respectable luminosity reading from a cine projector.


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RE: Elmo 16CL Test Report.

#12 by Del Phillipson , Sat Mar 24, 2018 11:08 am

Thank you Robert, very very much appreciated. I love this projector so far, it's quiet too which always helps . I think it's time next week to finally view a feature (The Lady Vanishes).


 
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RE: Elmo 16CL Test Report.

#13 by Robert Crewdson ( deleted ) , Sat Mar 24, 2018 11:31 am

Did anyone need to save this report and have any problems. I originally scanned it in PDF, but until now, I didn't know how to turn upside down pages the correct way up, so I re-scanned it in JPEG. I've now figured it out, so if anyone needs a scan to save, I will be happy to forward one to an email address if you PM me.

Look forward to a review of The Lady Vanishes if you could do one Del.



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RE: Elmo 16CL Test Report.

#14 by Vidar Olavesen , Sat Mar 24, 2018 12:13 pm

I got two, if I ever need a new one, it will be a 16-CL. I love the simple loading and unloading of film, so easy to use. I have a non Elmo zoom lens and one that give a big picture at short distance

I had Bauer P7, P6 and P8, gave them all away, not nearly as good in my opinion. Almost every time, I needed to tighten the loop over the optical part, it was fluttery sound. Heard it on others machines too


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RE: Elmo 16CL Test Report.

#15 by Andrew Woodcock ( deleted ) , Sat Mar 24, 2018 12:16 pm

I heard from David that the Bauer 16mm machines are not universally respected Vidar.

It's strange really as they are excellent in 8mm land, some of the best.

Having read the report above the slot loading mechanism is advantageous and a nice feature for many, but as the report highlights, the entire mechanism relies on many different movements internally from the linkages from the various switch positions to work correctly at all times.

They may be trickier than normal to repair as a result of this process, if or when this mechanism ever plays up so to speak, just the same as my own capstan drive mechanisms is hugely advantageous when working correctly but a bugger to diagnose and fix when not.


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RE: Elmo 16CL Test Report.

#16 by Stuart Reid , Sat Mar 24, 2018 12:38 pm

I'm also a huge fan of the 16CL, but it's becoming a worry that there doesn't seem to be anybody left to service them in the UK. Bill has retired and Kevin Brown doesn't touch them.


 
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RE: Elmo 16CL Test Report.

#17 by Andrew Woodcock ( deleted ) , Sat Mar 24, 2018 12:48 pm

I wonder why Kevin won't repair these?

I have heard of other 16mm specialists here in the UK but I cannot remember off the top of my head, the names of these guys.
Names have been issued though on film tech with a little digging.

As much as anything else, it's having any spare parts to fix whatever is wrong I'd imagine, which could be an issue now.


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RE: Elmo 16CL Test Report.

#18 by Stuart Reid , Sat Mar 24, 2018 1:07 pm

Afraid I haven't had enough deals with Kevin to feel I can ask him that question. Perhaps if anyone here is friends with him they can enquire as to why?


 
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RE: Elmo 16CL Test Report.

#19 by Andrew Woodcock ( deleted ) , Sat Mar 24, 2018 1:10 pm

As an advertised and respected 16mm projector technician, I am sure he'd say why he doesn't repair these Stuart.
Your not asking anything personal here or anything that could be construed as being a rude question to ask someone who after all, repairs 16mm projectors.

I'd expect he'd give a very straightforward answer if and when asked.

Maybe someone like Maurice would know the reason in the meantime, as he has dealt with Kevin for years?


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RE: Elmo 16CL Test Report.

#20 by Robert Crewdson ( deleted ) , Sat Mar 24, 2018 1:10 pm

Maurice seems the closest to him. I had him service my B&H. He did have a website at the time which said what brands he could do. I imagined he did anything in 16mm. I think if you look in another section of the forum, I posted links to some who advertise repairs of 16mm machines. Of course we don't know the quality of the work, but you might find a phone number if you go to the links.



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#21 by Andrew Woodcock ( deleted ) , Sat Mar 24, 2018 1:12 pm

A few I read about on film tech did have glowing recommendations from the people who spoke of them.


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RE: Elmo 16CL Test Report.

#22 by Robert Crewdson ( deleted ) , Sat Mar 24, 2018 1:13 pm

You will find my links in this post; Projector service and repair



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RE: Elmo 16CL Test Report.

#23 by Stuart Reid , Sat Mar 24, 2018 1:57 pm

Thanks Robert, even there though it's looking pretty thin pickings. I've contacted a couple of people re the Elmo, I'll wait to see what they say.


 
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RE: Elmo 16CL Test Report.

#24 by Robert Crewdson ( deleted ) , Sat Mar 24, 2018 2:04 pm

Good luck with that Stuart, keep us informed.



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RE: Elmo 16CL Test Report.

#25 by Robert Crewdson ( deleted ) , Sat Mar 24, 2018 2:15 pm

Stuart, there is the service manual here, you can download it free. https://issuu.com/filmmaker8.com/docs/el...-service-manual



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