Robert,

Your film cleaner of choice has just landed with me here. This is how it looks and I will get it posted out to you just as soon as I'm away from work for a few days.
I hope it proves a whole lot safer than the other stuff pal!

Thank you very much for your kindness Andrew, that looks great. Will try it on a Standard 8 film I got recently.

Andrew Woodcock, one of a kind, top top guy.

Andrew has proved time and again his kindness on here and other forums he belongs to, a TOP MAN if ever there was. He can be a
pain in the arse with his projectors, as can we all, but that aside a bloody good asset to any forum.

I'm sure there is a compliment in there somewhere? Ha ha ha

Thanks Hugh!

It's always been a double edged sword for me. The machines themselves are a very big part of my interest in this hobby of ours, equally as much as the films themselves.
If I'm not at peace with the device, then equally, I'm not enjoying the screening as much as I could or should be doing, in my case.

Sorry to be a pain.
I understand to many, they are nothing more than merely a tool for the job.

I'm really busy this weekend Robert, but I promise this will be on its way to you on Monday morning.

Andy, do you use the cresclean?

No mate, just Filmguard ever since being back in the hobby and speaking to one or two long term collectors at the outset.

(Although I have used Derann's old cleaning fluid for Optical sound prints only)

It's a decision I've never regretted since.

Cleaner has now been posted out to you this morning Robert. Sent by R.M. signed for delivery service and should be with you by tomorrow afternoon latest hopefully.
I will PM you the details of the Barcode.

Thanks very much Andrew, will let you know when it's arrived.

thanks Robert.

Film Cleaner arrived this morning, thank you very much Andrew. It occurred to me that CHC say they can't send it by Royal Mail, but you have. CHC lose sales because of their awkwardness.

You have to say its passed COSHH regs etc to push it through Robert.
I know it's harmless like FG so no hassle in getting it through the Royal Mail.

This is Phil's own formula of the original Cresclean solution that can no longer be manufactured.
Some of the nasties removed, some additional soft potions added I believe, but point being, if Phil were to declare what it's formula is, I suppose he would no longer have the monopoly on it.
It's a very good seller they tell me, especially at open days I believe, where they supposedly sell gallons of the stuff and distribute it by hand in much larger containers.

Anyhow, he will only supply it through a courier service and courier services are well over a tenner now for just about any item signed for delivery, no matter how small or light.
It worked out well Robert with me buying a film from him same week.,even if it were a two stop postal service.

I have a almost half bottle of this stuff cressclean I put it on some film and it warped it and had to bin it ask paul barker what is was like ruined a good film anyone wants it send me 3.00 to cover postage and you can have it but you have been warned

Well there is a turn up for the books David!

This was what Robert wanted and asked for, and I'm certain its still a better option than the one he was using, but I must admit, I've never used it myself.
I'm firmly in the Filmguard camp myself.

I never used it before; I was using what I had left of 2.22, which was about 30 years old.

just try it out on a short film you value the least Robert.
Maybe David here can enlighten you as to how long you'd need to sample it on a film before warping may perhaps occur ?
It would also be interesting to know what film stock he found this to be the case with here?

its was on a stunning tech film and it warped it within about 10 mins ask pauld barker what it was like I was going to keep it and show everyone at blackpool I wish I had now. I use derans film cleaner I have still got about 10 bottles of film cleaner that derann sold Derek gave me 6 bottles free for a favour I did for him

I hope Paul Barker will come in on this. I can try it on some leader. I heard a few bad reports about Derann's cleaner as well; maybe it was about using it on the wrong stock. David, maybe you should have contacted CHC, as they claim it's safe for all types; claiming some of the older cleaners damaged film. I never had any damage with 2.22

Derann's cleaner is great stuff for actually cleaning film, just way too aggressive on pasted stripe though.

Not much of a lubricant either to be honest, so it doesn't do anything to the noise levels or smoothness of the running film if you happen to have a troublesome print.

If you can find a gentle, mild, lubricating, cleaning liquid that fills in base scratches so they appear invisible...I reckon you have a fabulous all round liquid then.

I know what the answer would have been ive sold loads of this and never had any problems ,I was told it was a mixture of paraffin and a thin engine oil I did not but it of phil it was on the bring and buy at blackpool for £4.00 so I bought it

When you buy a used print, you don't know if it's already been treated, or what with; and maybe one chemical could interact with another. I think my last 16mm print was already treated with something, as their appeared spots, similar to 2.22 that still show after all these years.

Someone on the other forum said the formula had changed, and it smelt of paraffin.

in my opinion the best projector to lubricate a film was a 16mm black debrie

I've used Shithead's Cresclene to no ill effect, might be Dave confused it with Derann's "Liquid Blue" I don't know, LB did have an adverse effect on some filmstocks. Myself, I make my own for a fraction of the cost, it is harmless and 100% effective in hiding any marks, the green gouges are something else, but don't "Glow" as much, needs must when the Devil drives. I just got tired of the hurdles from CHC, his attitude of "if there isn't a problem, let me think of one", makes you wonder how he stays in business.

The formula has changed Robert, hence the name change from CREST to CRES, It was a good lube, but not at the prices for delivery,
the man takes the piss!