I have a sealed Film Guard with sprayer, around 1 litre that I would love to trade for same amount of Film Renew

Impossible to find in Europe it seems

i wish i bought film renew when we could have done. stupid European laws again.

That's why I voted leave. This film guard stuff I'm a little wary of. Wasn't it originally for 35mm prints which are by design junked when finished with. So who's to say what the long term effect is on prints.

Hi Vidar,

If you can't find a trade, I am happy to buy that Filmguard from you.

Best,

Alexander

Then
I still need Renew :-) If I can’t get Renew I will have to use this

Thanks though

Vidar....are you skeptical of it like David is? Is that why you don't want it?

No, just that Film Renew feels cleaner, leave no muck in the gate. Guard is oilier and after a clean, all debris seem to end up in the gate, gets mucky edges

Yes, you're right, Vidar. But FG seems to behave better when fully dry. I seem to remember 2.22 used to deposit mag gunk on certain prints in the gate too.

To be fair, I think Brad at Film-Tech is pretty thorough. The company website claims FG is good on all types of film, including mag stripe, and over long periods:

http://www.film-tech.com/products/filmguard.php

I would prefer not to use a cleaner at all, but with most of our purchases being secondhand, I feel one has to have some liquid solution to clean up badly-stored or looked-after films.

I think the filmguard is fine now, we used it for quite some time before i really realised just how little you should use. As i found out. too much really does cause problems. Our collection is about right now, we have one full sealed filmguard and a half a bottle. The bottle currently in use has cleaned all 27 of our 16mm films, (probably around 49 reels, some are 2000ft) and countless numbers of super 8s and theirs still a half a bottle left plus the full bottle. Very little is the name of the game. As i said, i did learn the hard way myself.

For me it's the use of decent winders, a good clean one way, and if the film appears filthy like some second hand ones are, it's gets another clean on reverse, or, if it's not too bad, i simply rewind and use a clean 100% cotton hanky but with only the lightest of pressure.
I know form professionals in the trade that quite often if you use too much on 16mm and you have a B & H projector, it can make the film jump all over the place.

Everything is relative, would love to see you soak your cloth. Any chance of videoing it? I must use too much, even if I think it is not too much, it must be, because my gate gathers so much crap after using Film Guard. Not happening with Renew. I use cloth with Guard and clean cloth on reverse, still gunk gathers. Do you also leave it on for any time before rewinding? I rewind at once, does it need to be on longer? Renew is soooo much simpler :-)

Vidar, if you give me a day or two i will pop something up, i'll just show you how i do it, perhaps if anyone thinks its wrong they can also pop a comment on here but it seems to work perfect for us.

Super, would like to see others do. I do commit a cardinal sin, I use my SC-18 or ST-1200 to wind and rewind, have no good rewind yet. Hoping to buy the Van Eck one, when I get more money collected

your both using way to much

Meaning better without? Fiom Renew has fixed mostly all my jumpy films, apart from sprocket damages, so I think it’s great. Elmo’s are picky

I literally only use one or two drop on the cloth for every 150/200ft though.

I agree with Tom on this. A couple of drops for each 100 - 200ft one way using a hand-wound Goko editor (personal preference) with cut-up pieces of a specs lens cleaning cloth, and a completely dry hand rewind with another clean piece of cloth.

Like Vidar, I have experienced slight gate mag deposits on some Super 8 titles, usually MGM cutdowns and PM films, but not Derann LPP and, like I mentioned before, I think it is better to let the film dry for a few days after cleaning.

I have to agree with most on this post. A little Film Guard goes a very long way. Oversoaking the application is not needed and does nothing to help the print since it needs to dry. A few sprays on a dry cloth rubbing the film is more than enough. May even need a dry cloth afterwards to remove the debris a day or so is recommended. I've been using it for years and have had wonderful luck cleaning prints with it but a little is good. Too much can loosen tape splices and cause all kinds of trouble. If you are cleaning by hand then put it in a spray bottle and only sprits the cleaning cloth every 400' or so. If using a Kelmar then sprits the rollers just twice and run a dry cloth afterwards.