Mickey's Christmas Carol

#1 by Vidar Olavesen , Thu Mar 24, 2016 2:36 pm

Finally got a print ... 600'















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#2 by Andrew Woodcock ( deleted ) , Thu Mar 24, 2016 3:59 pm

Lovely clean print of this you have there Vidar!


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#3 by Vidar Olavesen , Thu Mar 24, 2016 4:04 pm

Very happy with the whole shipment :-) Bought this and the Elmo stereo speakers. Now I don't need to unplug the speakers all the time. They sounded good too


 
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#4 by David Hardy ( deleted ) , Thu Mar 24, 2016 5:57 pm

I am not a big Disney fan but this copy looks very good . Nice one Vidar.


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#5 by Gwyn Morgan , Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:03 pm

Very nice .bit early for Christmas though


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#6 by Paul Browning , Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:20 pm

Thank's for posting Vidar, I just got this one too, only mine came with a couple of features I bought which he added this for free as a thank you. Lovely print and in stereo
win win .


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#7 by Vidar Olavesen , Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:24 pm

Agreed, Christmas was a bit early now :-)

The sound on this wasn't all that though. Stereo was way off, so I think I wouldn't call it stereo. One level meter at a good position, the other very, very low. If I dared re-record it, I might be tempted to do that.


 
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#8 by Paul Browning , Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:35 pm

I think Vidar I prefer a good mono recording any day, I just don't think it make's that much difference as you need to be in the "zone" to get the effect, its just bull to me. If you
have music on and your headphone's then maybe, not in this situation, very hit and miss, I like to hear the sound out of both speakers clearly.


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#9 by Timothy Duncan ( deleted ) , Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:51 pm

Very nice one Vidar! This is a winner!


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#10 by Paul Browning , Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:55 pm

You could do a track to track transfer with it Vidar, get the good one onto the bad one, no probs with the Elmo.


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#11 by Vidar Olavesen , Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:58 pm

True. Might do that. Thanks for that tip


 
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#12 by Andrew Woodcock ( deleted ) , Fri Mar 25, 2016 12:10 am

As I said a short while ago here or elsewhere. The narrow balance track (0.4mm), is just SO narrow, that for many original recordings, especially on paste, the second track, utilised as a separate channel in Stereo mode, often is, as Paul points out, something of a disappointment.

Now then, once we realize why this is,often there is a way to achieve far more from it.

Why even one film on pre striped stock can produce a good sound from the balance track and one which would appear just as capable, produce a bad one, is all down to precise head alignment used to actually record the track and the head alignment position and precision on the head used to playback the track.
Derann's balance stripes for instance, will often sound ok on one machine yet sound very faint on another, just simply because that narrow head alignment only has to be fractions of a mm off the recorded head alignment and the balance track would seem very very low and even muffled by comparison to the far wider main track (double its width).

Hardly ever, have I been anywhere near satisfied with the original distributors stereo recordings, whoever they were recorded by.
My Jungle Book feature being one of only a few exceptions that springs to mind.

The way in which you can ensure you get the absolute maximum obtainable quality from a balance stripe, even the best of them, is to playback the track from the very same machine it was recorded on.
This way you guarantee perfect alignment between head and available stripe on the balance side.

That is why home recorded tracks, where the average peak recorded level strikes 0db, sound the very best you can get from the format with almost zero hiss and hardly any loss versus the main track when the head is perfectly healthy.

Under these conditions, you get far more depth and spacial presence effect from the sound field even with the speakers close by, than you ever will, from a flat dual track mono sound field.

It is for the above reasons why, if you ever "back up" your main track on a mono recorded print by duplicating it onto the balance track by either using an editor or a projector, on that same machine 9 times out of 10, the balance track will sound strong albeit still only in mono and without that all important presence for warmth and depth in a soundtrack.

This isn't really so important for dialogue but is for music and effects.



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#13 by Del Phillipson ( deleted ) , Fri Mar 25, 2016 10:00 am

Hi Vidar, I have a print of this and mine too isn't great with regards to being stereo, I tend to turn down one side and turn up the other on the GS to balance the sound out, even then the sound is a little muffled, brilliant christmas viewing though, I love it, Del.



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#14 by Andrew Woodcock ( deleted ) , Fri Mar 25, 2016 11:11 am

I've had two now, the first I 're recorded because it was poor on even the main track, the second is much much better on both sides, so I've never bothered doing anything to it.

It was always hit and miss from Derann in this era onwards on any given day.
Recordings were always made at high speed which also doesn't help in any way to deliver the best results achievable.



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#15 by Jonathan Trevithick ( deleted ) , Sat Mar 26, 2016 10:25 pm

Lovely screenshots Vidar! This film is on my Super8 wish list. One day!


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#16 by Andrew Woodcock ( deleted ) , Sat Mar 26, 2016 10:40 pm

There is one for sale on e bay at the moment Jonathan.


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#17 by Jonathan Trevithick ( deleted ) , Sat Mar 26, 2016 10:51 pm

Great!Do you have the link Andrew?


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#18 by Andrew Woodcock ( deleted ) , Sat Mar 26, 2016 10:53 pm

Yes I will put it here Jonathon.

272174587084

Sorry only the number as I'm on a mobile device. Hope this helps.
13 hrs to go £77 as it stands.



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RE: Mickey's Christmas Carol

#19 by Jonathan Trevithick ( deleted ) , Sat Mar 26, 2016 10:56 pm

It's ok Andrew. Found it. I'll see how high it goes.


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