It's a thought that with the truly fine definition of DVD, surely it should be possible to copy a movie onto super 8mm, a frame at a time.
I realise it is piracy, but worse things happen at sea, if not full features, one could with patience make a nice cut down, if it's feasible,
I throw it out there.

If this is an easy thing to achieve outside of doing what the french guy does with a single frame cine camera, I wouldn't be sourcing from DVD in this day and age. There are far superior, higher resolutions to take source material from nowadays.

I was just thinking of "in house" Andrew, a decent print without involving lab costs outside developing of the film proper or interneg
costs etc, just putting a cine camera in tandem with a dvd player.

If you mean transferring DVD material to Super 8, I am so against it. It has already taken the magic away with the digital stutter and feel. That's why I not want many of the new CGI infested cartoons on Super 8, 16mm or 35mm. I was offered Cars once, but didn't want it.

Well I wouldn't turn my nose up if someone offered me a print of "Wicker Man" Vidar, but that ain't gonna happen anytime soon, so
I would consider copy from DVD to film, sometimes we have to make use of what we have, which in the case of DVD, it does come from film originally and has each frame individually. Granted filmstock isn't cheap, but it would be down to us, how a cutdown turned out, for
our own use of course.

It looks brilliant on cine film Vidar, no matter where it's manufacturing origin techniques lie. I have it as one of a few modern Disney trailers in front of my one reel Derann Toy Story feature along with Dinosaur etc etc and quite frankly....these trailers make it the complete spectacle that this reel of film is, as a complete showpiece single nights screening!

My eyes are stupid. It pickd up the stutter of digital. Can't help it, tried to ignore, but can not

That's a real shame Vidar. To mine, these are some of the very best prints out there.

Minimum requirement then would be therefore true HD blu ray then Hugh, in this day and age.
DVD transfers are often really not that good. You only have to watch them on a decent VP to realize this. Blu Ray on the other hand, seldom, if ever, disappoints.

Really speaking Vidar, DVD isn't an enemy, it is a supplement to the hobby, sync boxes for folk skilled like Andrew and company
that can use them to rerecord their films in stereo etc, that is a plus, even the BFCC use disc to film sync, I don't agree on this, but that
is up to them. The damage was done many years ago, in the "video revolution".
I too love film with a passion, but I surely would entertain a medium that would put a tangible spool of movie film in my hot little mitt,
I am not so silly as to refuse, and chances are it would be nice colour, the screenshots on here show what can be achieved, by your good self and guys like Andrew.

Now I throw myself, sword in hand to the wolves, what would be the pitfalls of setting up a camera equipped with single frame in front
of a flat screen TV to copy single frame? This is basic, but would it work. Example, some people years ago were paying a fortune to video companies to copy their cine film to video, they could actually have done better themselves, at the time the best was the Cintel Flying Spot, home made transfers were sometimes pretty good.

Not really well enough in front of a flat panel TV, allowing stray light and shadow detail onto the image I'd say.
It would be just too primitive of an approach.
You would need the equivalent of a tele-cine transfer set up in reverse I'd say, to do it correct Justice here.

As a frame by frame transfer, you would need "studio animation" conditions anyhow to guarantee each frame exposed to the same level as the last.
Basically, the same techniques and conditions as "Wallace & Gromit" was made in, except without the painstaking task of remodelling for each frame!
Respect to Nick Park here!!

It would be far easier to just get a negative made professionally, then obtain prints from it.

No that is just what I'm trying to avoid, I would not want costs or involvement of outsiders, just a "cottage industry, in house" manoeuvre
In a darkened room, a frame by frame exposure should give decent results, when I take a pic of the TV screen as a test, it is fine, I think
with a test or two, this technique could yield good results. What's to go wrong? The last thing I want is, for anyone to be in the hands of solicitors etc for costs of internegs etc. A simple frame for frame record should not be out of plausibility Just a case in point Andrew, Nick Park would be the first to concede, he has a team, Ray Harryhausen, who was his hero, worked on his own, and had to work with live action, he could show Nick the way home without a torch or map. His films lead (led ) the way for a host of film makers.When stop motion
is mentioned, it ain't Nick Park springs to mind.

Presentation though Hugh, has become far more polished since Ray Harryhausen days with respect, hence the analogy to the modern makers of such in Nick Park.

If we are to dream of transferring Blu Ray to Cine, then modern standards of production would equally have to comply I'd say.

Otherwise, may as well just watch the blu ray on 1080p. Then it looks out of this world already,

to me the thrill, is to thread modern productions through our cine projectors, to a standard, just as in the same way Derann managed somehow to make this illusive dream come true, albeit with some drawbacks, mainly in the sound department which was already showing signs of it's age!

On the other forum, much interest on putting out a trailer, these guys are riding for a fall, the intricacy of the laws and regulations
that dominate the film world leave me to believe these guys are stupid beyond the point. It will be worth seeing the posts, but it'll come to fuck all.

Probably Hugh, but worthy of a try, as anything is in this era.

Andrew, with respect, and I love Nick Park stuff, there is a certain scene in "It Came From Beneath The Sea", 1955, it caused much talk between myself and Mike Hankin, author of Ray's three vol. books and Ernie Farino, long time friend and effects technician, ( Vidar's
"The Thing") that defeated us all, the scene with the flame thrower on the tentacle, it is behind, and in front, we could not solve it,
Ray had forgotten himself, the point being, technology has advanced, but a Ray Harryhausen film was a stamp of class, Disney, with all their money didn't come close, their idea of animation was the cartoon kind, never the live action, Ray left a helluva gap when he left us. Matching live action and a model is a skill gone, CGI is common, the special has gone out of effects, but animation of a model is now
an army of technicians that do the same as one man did, Harryhausen. Nick Park is a group of people, Ray was a loner. Indeed he will never be eclipsed, a one off.

Ive managed to get a lovely LPP print of "Jack The Giant Killer". Will that suffice with your approval somehow Hugh?

You and I can never agree on Disney productions Hugh, we are polar opposites, but hey! That is what I love about forums and peoples opinions, no two are ever the same.

Respect to Hugh for having his, and respect to myself for having mine. That's what it is all about here with our love of our treasured possessions!

A nice film, but a pale copy of "7TH Voyage of Sinbad", the models are poor, as Jim Danforth said, the animator, they were not the
best, lacking skin detail etc, but I have a print myself, that aside, the best, as you rightly know, was Ray, no one could create those
worlds of fantasy but him, he put down a path for all to follow, indeed he did, lets see Nick Park animate the skeletons or Hydra's heads
in Jason, we have not come very far at all, only with the very poor computer effects, and a team measuring hundreds, for one model.

Hugh how would you feel if you have invested a lot of time and money into making a film for somebody to come along and copy it without your permission, how would you feel ?.

Probably as bad as the folk that made a film only for the film company to lose or destroy the negative, does that answer your
question David. Coupled to which, no doubt many of us have pirated copies of films already, "white box specials" anyone?
Anyone going to go through the stuff recorded off TV over the years on video or DVD, to appease their conscience ? What is the difference, I'll tell you, none.

Necessity Hugh. I don't think it would be impossible to do, but I would want to source more than the 50ft cartridge to start this kind of project. There was an article
about this, a transfer from super 8 to super 8 with a camera a projector synced together, with some good results apparently. I'll dig it out Hugh.

Thanks Paul, it might have been an article by Francis Williams, who knew this kind of thing, the only "fly in the ointment" is that there
is no actual film to copy, hence the DVD. It might be possible to have something made that would sync to dvd player and camera. A feature would be a herculean task, which is why I thought a digest could be managed. Who knows, it might copy in "real time" without
strobing, anyway, just an idea. As for involving any "pro's" for permissions and agreements, lawyers etc, that is a definite no no, one would have to beggar oneself to finance what amounts to a ten minute film, as those lads on the other forum will find out, in the world
of film finance, it is a veritable spiders web.

Perhaps you could film a dvd projected film Hugh with a camera, not sure how small you could get the frame size. With new technology you could always get the film onto
a new style phone and film it from that. These new phones have very high resolution screens plenty of contrast and brightness for a camera to film from.

A year or so ago there was a seller on eBay offering 50' reels of footage filmed off TV. From what I gathered these were done in black & white (for some reason) and were in silent mode. Apparently done by a fan of a particular actor (don't recall which one) but there were several reels of various scenes. Not quite fully the same I realize as the topic at hand, but it goes to show that is has been done to some degree even back when. (And that collection sold quickly from I recall.)

Please, please find a 35mm to print from