GS 1200 Fuji Lamps

#1 by Andrew Woodcock ( deleted ) , Fri Jan 22, 2016 2:44 pm

As I felt Jonathans extremely valid question might get lost among all the other posts on our main topic of the day here, I thought it better to give it a place of its own here.

The Fuji 200w GS 1200 lamps are something, I personally, have never needed to purchase so I wouldn't even begin to know of other sources here in the UK or elsewhere for them.

Hopefully people like Paul Browning etc, who are big fans of these machines, can come up with some solutions for Jon and others here.



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RE: GS 1200 Fuji Lamps

#2 by Edwin van Eck , Fri Jan 22, 2016 4:10 pm

Might be a solution: http://shop.van-eck.net/SF-0061.html?_globalsearch=ejl

(Euro is cheap today and also low shipping charges)



 
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RE: GS 1200 Fuji Lamps

#3 by Paul Browning , Fri Jan 22, 2016 4:32 pm

Sadly in my attempt to help fellow owners and maybe other projector owners when proven an alternative to this elusive lamp for the elmo, but to do this I needed at least a spent
24v 200w ESC Lamp to experiment with, after posting on all the current forums NOT ONE PERSON contacted me, I even offered to pay the postage to them to send the lamp. Now looking at Paul's web page he sold double figures of these, so I beg the question, why have all these people bought a lamp if they didn't need it ?, and if they did what happened to
the spent lamp ?, it must have been thrown. My idea, was to reuse the reflector, and re lamp this with a lamp currently available for less than half the price of this lamp, but much brighter. If this worked and it would not take much R/D to find out, the idea could be used on any projector with this kind of lamp reflector with little tweaking. I think some people
are quick to distrust a fellow members, thinking he's out to make a fast buck, it gets a bit of a "clique". It's odd how fate works, but now like you I have only the lamp in my standard
GS when that goes, I'm stuffed, with Paul doing a stretch for 16 months ( could be out by august ) his source must be out there somewhere, perhaps an ex Derran employee could help.


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RE: GS 1200 Fuji Lamps

#4 by Andrew Woodcock ( deleted ) , Fri Jan 22, 2016 5:03 pm

Paul, if I'd had any, you know I'd have given you any spent ones. I don't use these lamps sadly but if the 232 reflectors are of any use to you, I will start saving them for you if you like.

Your work here is appreciated mate, maybe not by everyone but certainly by many of which I am one. We need innovation within our hobby now more than ever, and it's people like yourself and of course the wonderful work done by Edwin Van Eck and his team, that will lead us to complete satisfaction with our equipment.

Bill also deserves special thanks and a mention for all of his wonderful work and innovation over the years all for the benefit of others, rather than himself,more often than not.



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RE: GS 1200 Fuji Lamps

#5 by Andrew Woodcock ( deleted ) , Fri Jan 22, 2016 6:12 pm

I know people who have ran the GS 1200 for years using the Osram Xenophot 24v, 250w lamp. Much much brighter than with the standard 24v 200w official lamps.

I know potentially, this is stressing an aging transformer, but it seems to cope no problem with the extra load reportedly.

Also there are modifications available to enable the transformer to be correctly rated for the 10amp load rather than the eight and a third amps the transformer lamp winding is normally subjected to.

FFR do this mod and I am certain Bill would know number of turns, copper diameter and resistance of winding if anyone fancied having it rewound for a genuine 10amps continuous load capability.

If I had a GS, I'd want to run the Xenophot lamps on it. Much brighter and whiter than the rest and will be around for many years to come, readily available.



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RE: GS 1200 Fuji Lamps

#6 by Andrew Woodcock ( deleted ) , Fri Jan 22, 2016 9:47 pm

Thanks for posting a solution Edwin but those lamps you sell are EJL type not ESC as the Fuji ones are.

I believe it is the ESC Fuji lamps that are preferred by GS 1200 owners due to the fact that the filament orientation is better focussed through the very small gate on Super 8mm machines than the EJL type do.

It is the Fuji lamps that apparently maximize the image brightness available from these projectors I am led to believe.

Do you know of a source for these ESC lamps Edwin?



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RE: GS 1200 Fuji Lamps

#7 by Jonathan Trevithick ( deleted ) , Sat Jan 23, 2016 12:23 am

I tried to track down the manufacturers online but got nowhere, even after translating from Japanese.
Paul Foster was the cheapest but I must admit 2 of his bulbs blew recently only after a few hours use. I didn't complain and just blamed it on bad transportation from the UK.
Sorry Paul, I don't recall your post. You could have had a few!
I have previously bought from Blue Cine Tech but their site always states 'out of stock' for these bulbs now. I found a site in the US but their shipping is $50 per bulb which is silly money.


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RE: GS 1200 Fuji Lamps

#8 by Jonathan Trevithick ( deleted ) , Sat Jan 23, 2016 12:25 am

Ps I don't speak Japanese but Google does!


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RE: GS 1200 Fuji Lamps

#9 by Andrew Woodcock ( deleted ) , Sat Jan 23, 2016 12:41 am

Jon leave the US postage gig with me. I have many a friend there who would ship at cost so long as the actual lamp price is reasonable.
Equally I also have family members who live in Australia who, no doubt at some point this year will have to come to the UK for very sad personal reasons.

If you want to buy a job lot from the States, just let me know. I'm certain there is something we can arrange to get these to the Southern Hemisphere for you for the correct amount of outlay.



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RE: GS 1200 Fuji Lamps

#10 by Andrew Woodcock ( deleted ) , Sat Jan 23, 2016 12:54 am

Have you tried the alternative solution mentioned above Jonathan?


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RE: GS 1200 Fuji Lamps

#11 by Andrew Woodcock ( deleted ) , Sat Jan 23, 2016 1:59 am

(not needed now)



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RE: GS 1200 Fuji Lamps

#12 by Jonathan Trevithick ( deleted ) , Sat Jan 23, 2016 3:24 am

Thanks Andrew. Sorry, I was offline, walking the dog. Currently, I have 2 GS lamp spares but will cerainly need to restock later in the year. Thanks for your advice.That would be great. I'd certainly like to talk further about that.


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RE: GS 1200 Fuji Lamps

#13 by Andrew Woodcock ( deleted ) , Sat Jan 23, 2016 4:17 am

No problems Jonathan, just say the word anytime.


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RE: GS 1200 Fuji Lamps

#14 by Paul Browning , Sun Jan 24, 2016 11:53 pm

Jonathan, If you have any ESC lamps that are shot let me have them please. I don't know what the cost would be, but I guess you can find this out. I now have something along
the lines to reuse the reflector, but with a different lamp from my previous idea. As you know the lamp reflector is very different from the normal projector per say a Beaulieu or
the 12v 100w standard lamp. The filament is different to the other too, this reflector best focus's the beam at the gate, but its still a gas filament lamp, which do not have the
desired colour temperature of the xenon lamp. I think this an over due update to these machines, and by that I mean all projectors not just the Elmo. I am trying to look at a
simple solution and something that might be able to be retro fitted by most of us on the forums. Andrew if you have any shot lamps from the Beaulieu machine i'll have them
from you please. I only need the glass reflector, but I don't want to destroy perfectly good lamps in testing my idea out. Thank's for your help in any way.


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RE: GS 1200 Fuji Lamps

#15 by Andrew Woodcock ( deleted ) , Mon Jan 25, 2016 6:26 am

Anything I have Paul, I will save for you reflector wise, then I will send you a parcel of them once they've built up a little.

The Xenophot lamps are decent in the respect that they use xenon gas as a filler inside the capsules to give off a whiter and brighter appearance to the image on screen.

Has anyone here tried using the Osram Xenophot 24v 250w lamp in their GS1200 even just momentarily just to see the difference in brightness between these and the recommended ESC Fuji lamp that is of course 200w?

I also have to add, that on a projector with a fast lens and two blade shutter, the image brightness I obtain is more than satisfactory for use on a home sized screen, even the biggest.
For three bladed shutter models, it's still good enough until you try and screen quite wide scope images going through the extra planes of glass.
Then on dark scenes, a little extra brightness wouldn't go a miss.

I would be interested in hearing of the results from anyone with a 24v supply to their machines on the above mentioned lamp with the correct lamp fuse protection added for the extra 1.7 amps of current flow through the circuit approx.

Fumeo or GS1200. If it was much brighter, perhaps transformer mods are the way to go until led finally comes up with a cool running, low current solution?

BTW what lamp types are Fumeo owners currently using, David, Hugh and Paul?



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RE: GS 1200 Fuji Lamps

#16 by David Hardy ( deleted ) , Mon Jan 25, 2016 11:06 am

Andrew I use the ESC lamp in my Fumeo and Elmo GS 1200.


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RE: GS 1200 Fuji Lamps

#17 by Jonathan Trevithick ( deleted ) , Mon Jan 25, 2016 12:46 pm

Hi Paul. No shot Fuji bulbs at present but when the next one blows, i'll be in touch!


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RE: GS 1200 Fuji Lamps

#18 by Andrew Woodcock ( deleted ) , Mon Jan 25, 2016 10:13 pm

Where have you personally been sourcing your Fuji ESC lamps from David?

They do appear incredibly difficult to find now considering how many still use GS1200 projectors as well as the Fumeo's.


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RE: GS 1200 Fuji Lamps

#19 by Hugh Thompson Scott ( deleted ) , Mon Jan 25, 2016 10:42 pm

Hi Paul, I use the 240 w, I'll certainly pass any reflectors on to you if you can use 'em. When I have any, I'll contact through the forum.
I think I have some blown 100w, which I was putting in fresh bulbs, if they are some use I''ll root 'em out for you.



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RE: GS 1200 Fuji Lamps

#20 by David Hardy ( deleted ) , Mon Jan 25, 2016 10:56 pm

Andrew I think I bought mine from Paul Foster. hahaha !!!
Only problem now is I have no spares at all at the moment.


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RE: GS 1200 Fuji Lamps

#21 by Andrew Woodcock ( deleted ) , Mon Jan 25, 2016 11:43 pm

Hugh, are you sure your lamps are 240w?

I wasn't aware one exists for these machines???


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RE: GS 1200 Fuji Lamps

#22 by Hugh Thompson Scott ( deleted ) , Tue Jan 26, 2016 1:25 am

Hi Andrew, yes the Fumeo use 240w, I was using 250 at one time, but after our "Yoda" Bill sorted out a problem, he advised
using the 240w, result super Opt snd.



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RE: GS 1200 Fuji Lamps

#23 by Andrew Woodcock ( deleted ) , Wed Jan 27, 2016 9:33 pm

What is the number of this lamp Hugh? Also how does the main lamp help the exciter lamp??

I can honestly say I've never seen a 240 watt lamp for Super 8 purposes so this one interests me enormously!

I.e. A1 232, 232 etc etc. Ansi code?



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RE: GS 1200 Fuji Lamps

#24 by Hugh Thompson Scott ( deleted ) , Wed Jan 27, 2016 9:48 pm

Apologies Andrew, my goof, its the 24volt 200 w, I'd been using the 250watt, but it must be the way its wired up, I was advised by Bill to use the 200w, which has improved opt sound no end. Sorry for any misconceptions, idiot that I am.



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RE: GS 1200 Fuji Lamps

#25 by Andrew Woodcock ( deleted ) , Wed Jan 27, 2016 9:49 pm

Ah, that makes more sense to me now Hugh thanks.


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