Balance stripe on 8mm.

#1 by David Hardy ( deleted ) , Sat Oct 17, 2015 4:34 pm

Do any of you have a problem with the balance stripe starting to flake off on any of your prints ?



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RE: Balance stripe on 8mm.

#2 by Paul Browning , Sat Oct 17, 2015 4:42 pm

Never on super 8 David, is it laminated or paste stripe ?


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#3 by Andrew Woodcock ( deleted ) , Sat Oct 17, 2015 4:48 pm

I have seen this happen many times on pasted stripe never on laminated.

The problem is hugely accelerated by the use of Deranns own cleaner I've found.

As said previously, I've relegated all of my remaining stock of this cleaner just for use on optical sound prints because of this.



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RE: Balance stripe on 8mm.

#4 by David Hardy ( deleted ) , Sat Oct 17, 2015 4:56 pm

Paul its on a Mountain films copy of the feature of King Kong.


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RE: Balance stripe on 8mm.

#5 by David Hardy ( deleted ) , Sat Oct 17, 2015 4:59 pm

Andrew if my memory is right I think I treated this print with DFS cleaner.
I am going to sue the buggers for this. hahahahahaha !!!!


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RE: Balance stripe on 8mm.

#6 by Andrew Woodcock ( deleted ) , Sat Oct 17, 2015 5:01 pm

Filmguard is the answer on pasted stripe David. Totally harmless to the stripe.


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#7 by Paul Browning , Sat Oct 17, 2015 5:05 pm

So not a derann feature then, so has it just lifted off then David or just disappeared from the edge ?.


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RE: Balance stripe on 8mm.

#8 by Andrew Woodcock ( deleted ) , Sat Oct 17, 2015 5:21 pm

Just to add David, I would be really surprised if this Mountain films print had a pasted stripe given the era they were produced in.

If it is indeed printed on pre laminated stock then I'm equally surprised that it may have lifted or even eroded in some way or another.



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RE: Balance stripe on 8mm.

#9 by Paul Browning , Sat Oct 17, 2015 5:50 pm

It's off the film so its gone now, but does it matter because I doubt this was recorded in stereo anyway ?, I carn't see how it would effect you David, unless your thinking
of replacing it or recording on it again. Either way, the filmguard or derann own slippery stuff would have to removed completely before any restriping is to take place.
If your experiencing problems with projection David then it could be this, but it adds about .001" to the thickness of the film, that is both laminated stripe and paste when done correctly, most projectors would handle this difference without too much grief, although this is subjective. I have plenty of Walton prints that have no balance stripe, never
had a problem with them, and I own an Elmo.


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RE: Balance stripe on 8mm.

#10 by Andrew Woodcock ( deleted ) , Sat Oct 17, 2015 6:03 pm

I've never had an issue with the Walton prints out there that only have a mono main track (no balance stripe). They go through the gate without any noticeable distortion or lack of focus I've found.

As Paul correctly points out, this was only ever a mono print to begin with, so you would expect the sound track to be fine from the main stripe only,as in the manner in which it was manufactured in the first place.



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RE: Balance stripe on 8mm.

#11 by Steve Carter ( deleted ) , Sat Oct 17, 2015 6:36 pm

No never, I use Good to Go to clean & lube my films.


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#12 by Paul Browning , Sat Oct 17, 2015 6:50 pm

Never heard of that Steve, I don't use anything either, although I have newly discovered some 2.22, which I bought years ago, which all and sundry were raving about,
you can get dragged in a bit by it all. I have read a couple of write ups on the other forum, which came down on both sides.


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RE: Balance stripe on 8mm.

#13 by Steve Carter ( deleted ) , Sat Oct 17, 2015 7:08 pm

I was meaning I have never had stripe damage, the cleaner is a wax / silicone mix and is water repellant £3.99 for 500ml, I've been using it for ages now, colour, B&W, sound and silent, it did a good job on the film I got from Vidar. Use as much as you like, you can always do a pass with a clean cloth. I had a couple of very jumpy films Jungle Book it would jump loose the loop, so I thought I would give it a good seeing too, where have I heard that before?, any-ways runs as smooth as any other film, same with a Hanna Barbera Three Musketeers cartoon, it was very unsteady, but now I can just enjoy the film without the worry of it loosing the loop.


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#14 by Vidar Olavesen , Sat Oct 17, 2015 7:18 pm

Steve, is that a self made mix or something you can buy in a store? I'd love to try it on a couple of really problem films I have


 
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RE: Balance stripe on 8mm.

#15 by Steve Carter ( deleted ) , Sat Oct 17, 2015 7:27 pm

It's off the self Vidar, over the years I have tried all sorts, after my Thermo-film ran out, the old red tin, I think it was dangerous or something. So I experimented, then this stuff came up, I looked at the ingredients, and thought what's to lose, one dodgy film or so, it's kind to film, and my hands have never looked so good, I haven't used any thing else since.


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RE: Balance stripe on 8mm.

#16 by David Ollerearnshaw , Sat Oct 17, 2015 7:28 pm

I think it was a Walton print that had balance stripe it was really thin, much more than my other films


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#17 by Vidar Olavesen , Sat Oct 17, 2015 7:34 pm

Do you have a name for the mix, Steve? I am not sure it would be available in Norway anyway, but would love to try. Thanks


 
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RE: Balance stripe on 8mm.

#18 by Steve Carter ( deleted ) , Sat Oct 17, 2015 7:35 pm

I've been treating a film with VS, just once a month, one pass, I have just opened the box, I could not smell it, now maybe the cleaner is masking the smell, but I'm not sure because when I first started treating it every month I could still smell it a bit, then less, now today well maybe my nose is getting to play tricks, but there isn't much that can mask that vinegar smell, it's a smell that hangs around, you know when you've had your chips.


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RE: Balance stripe on 8mm.

#19 by Robert Crewdson ( deleted ) , Sat Oct 17, 2015 7:44 pm

I never had a problem with 2.22, I used to over wet the films because it dried so quick, even after all these years, you can still see the marks on the leader. What used to bother me at the time though, was that when running sound film through the cloth, you noticed the brown stain after. Perhaps this would have happened with any cleaner; also when treating my home movies I used to get colour on the cloth. I haven't been using anything lately.



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RE: Balance stripe on 8mm.

#20 by Steve Carter ( deleted ) , Sat Oct 17, 2015 7:49 pm

Yes Robert I always get that brown oxide deposit, usually on the first pass, or when I cleaned a new film, or if I get one from ebay, some of those films are filthy and I don't mean blue.


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RE: Balance stripe on 8mm.

#21 by Paul Browning , Sat Oct 17, 2015 7:59 pm

I think you would get the rust colour steve anyway, if you rubbed the stripe with a cotton bud, not sure about the colour coming off though on the cloth ??. I think you need
bottle your new product steve and give us an exclusive on this forum only ???, what you say guv ha ,ha .


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RE: Balance stripe on 8mm.

#22 by Steve Carter ( deleted ) , Sat Oct 17, 2015 8:07 pm

No Paul I've never had actual colour coming off on the cloth, only on that Bandolero film that has burgundy stripes, there was some coming off on the cloth, maybe the print was scratched with something on a projector, that was shedding colour, I just don't know, it was a used print.



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RE: Balance stripe on 8mm.

#23 by David Ollerearnshaw , Sat Oct 17, 2015 8:08 pm

Always liked to use 2.22 like you say its still visible years later. I too used to get the brown skid marks when using 2.22 the first time. A 16mm colour film I cleaned when I first got it, a little colour was transferred to the cloth. It fact I must look at the film I suspect it may have VS now.

Always check my new/old purchases now through rewind arms.

Cleaned a couple of LP's too with 2.22 still plays great no static pops or other bits.

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RE: Balance stripe on 8mm.

#24 by Hugh Thompson Scott ( deleted ) , Sat Oct 17, 2015 8:26 pm

I know we've gotten into stripe country, but Walton had a phase where their stripe used to come off, I returned a print of "Carry On Cleo"
to a dealer, that already had that problem, long before Derann's "liquid Blue" The Kanus Chemics. 2.22 could be used on recording tape as well with no ill effects, God, I miss that stuff, it was one of the few that actually worked.



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RE: Balance stripe on 8mm.

#25 by David Hardy ( deleted ) , Sun Oct 18, 2015 11:01 am

Thanks guys I was just wondering if it was just me that has had this problem.
The print projects fine with no sound problems on the main stripe. I only discovered that the balance stripe was
flaking off in places of the reel during a manual rewind.
I am aware the print is mono only due to its vintage. However my concern is now as to where the stripe is
going after it has flaked off. I need to keep an eye on those heads and film path even more now after each reel .



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