Stagecoach.A question

#1 by Tom Photiou , Thu Sep 10, 2015 9:43 pm

Hello there,
Tonight we put on our full feature version of the classic John Wayne western Stagecoach.Its been years since i sat through it, (its my Brothers, not really my cup of tea).
This is a full feature and i'm sure its not from Walton so i am trying to find out a couple of things because this is a good but strange print, let me explain,
The actual film came on 5 x 400 foot spools, plain white boxes.
The actual condition of our print is 100% good, no scratches and only two or three very good splices which i am sure are lab splices.
We have it mounted on an 800 foot spool, (quite full) & 2 very full 600 foot spools.
The sound is good, the picture is like the MGM's, ever so slightly soft, almost perfect on close ups.
However, it is what i would call a dark print, perfectly acceptable but clearly a little dark.
Does anyone know who,apart from Walton, released this full length feature, and does anyone own what we would call a really good pin sharp crisp copy?



 
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RE: Stagecoach.A question

#2 by Andrew Woodcock ( deleted ) , Thu Sep 10, 2015 9:54 pm

Hope you find out soon Tom but I really don't know a great deal about Western releases.
In fact I don't have any but would love a print of "Shane" one day and "Dirty Harry" if that counts ha ha.

Don't believe I have ever seen Dirty Harry on 8 come to think of it. Would be great if it's out there somewhere though.


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RE: Stagecoach.A question

#3 by Vidar Olavesen , Thu Sep 10, 2015 9:55 pm

I am not sure who released my print, but mine is rather bright and extremely stripey. I seem to remember light where faces should be. Naybe I'll see mine one of these days and see if I find any distributor


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RE: Stagecoach.A question

#4 by Tom Photiou , Thu Sep 10, 2015 10:07 pm

Vidar, yours almost sounds like a dupe print where faces are bright and white. Although ours is slightly dark all faces are nice and clear, no over brightness at all. Maybe its an advantage,
one weird thing happens within the last half hour, its as though the frame line comes halfway down the picture slowly for a couple of seconds then slowly goes back to normal, no damaged film, it is within the actual print.
I have never ever seen this happen in our years of collecting.



 
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RE: Stagecoach.A question

#5 by Robert Crewdson ( deleted ) , Thu Sep 10, 2015 10:44 pm

Hi Tom, I only remember the Walton version, though shouldn't be surprised that it would be issued by others as it's such a prominent film in movie history. Back in the 80s I bought 3 imported films on a visit to Perry's, and they all came in plain white boxes, with no indication of the maker, even on the leader.

Once I ordered a film from DCR and Dave West wasn't sure if I could have it until he had spoken to Rank; they said they thought they could get one more print out of the negative before it was unusable, so I bought it on the understanding it wasn't perfect. I had no idea what any fault would be until I projected it, and found what you experienced, that the frame line came down then after a few frames it went back.

Hopefully one of our American members can tell you if someone issued stagecoach in the USA.



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RE: Stagecoach.A question

#6 by Barry Attwood ( deleted ) , Fri Sep 11, 2015 7:07 am

Dear Tom,

The F/L prints come from DCR.

There is also a few Optical sound prints floating around, but these have a sepia look to them being on colour stock.


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RE: Stagecoach.A question

#7 by Panayotis A. Carayannis ( deleted ) , Fri Sep 11, 2015 8:31 am

A Number of american companies released this one complete,as it was PD. Right out I can remember Thunderbird and Hollywood Film Exchange, but I don't remember where my print is from. I will check later. I don't believe any are perfect prints. Mine is just good.


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RE: Stagecoach.A question

#8 by Tom Photiou , Fri Sep 11, 2015 8:11 pm

Looks like ours must be DCR. I have to say when i say dark its not so dark that you can see it, the day lit outdoor scenes are fine, its just indoor scenes, oddly enough where the movie is set at night these are obviuosly dark but perfectly OK.
I may try and get a few screen shots later.



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RE: Stagecoach.A question

#9 by Robert Crewdson ( deleted ) , Fri Sep 11, 2015 8:47 pm

DCR always used to be top quality, was this an import, or did he release it himself. I only remember him releasing British films. He added the sound himself, on a machine he told me cost him £1,000; he also said he added it at normal running speed (24fps), not high speed like many others.



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RE: Stagecoach.A question

#10 by Hugh Thompson Scott ( deleted ) , Sat Sep 12, 2015 2:21 am

I wish I could answer that one Robert, I know it was on Opt. snd in sepia tone! Obviously a very popular film.



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RE: Stagecoach.A question

#11 by Robert Crewdson ( deleted ) , Sat Sep 12, 2015 10:46 am

Sounds like it would have been imported.



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RE: Stagecoach.A question

#12 by Hugh Thompson Scott ( deleted ) , Mon Sep 14, 2015 3:16 am

Hi Robert, it was a title that cropped up regularly on film lists, s/8 Opt sepia tone feature "Stagecoach", obviously an airline or
South African print, but no doubt a worthy edition to someone's collection.



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