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Has any forum member bought any of this Liquid Film Cleaner being sold on ebay Werbung: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261994484594?_...K%3AMEBIDX%3AIT . From a glance it looks very similar to the old Derann LFC. If anyone has bought it and used it, perhaps they can let us know what its like.

Not allowed to buy overseas (again :-/)

Vicar,
You mean that you can't buy film cleaner or you can't buy 'anything' overseas (even films)?

Cleaning liquids :-) Films are okay

I would be reluctant to buy it, who makes it, and what is in it.

He seems to have sold quite a few bottles going by his feedback, I wonder how long he's been selling it, as I only stumbled on it today!

It,s been on there some months at least. I am not using anything at present, though I still have some 2.22 left from the 80s. If this was still available I would buy another tin.

I would advise against buying anything like this, quality unknown, remember the professionals didn't always strike oil, the DFS stuff,
liquid Blue I think they called it, did have adverse effects on some collectors films. I am with Robert when he says he would like to see
the ol' 2.22 back, it did the job and covered up scratches, something that the original Thermofilm used to do, before it was changed
into the most volatile "film treatment" on the planet. Phil's film treatment is very good, but can't be sent through the mail. FilmRenew
I found good, but like Vitafilm, can't be imported, they must be the only things that can't be brought into Britain.

Filmguard is all I use nowadays.
It does have to be applied very very sparingly and does weaken adhesive splices but is superb at filling in scratches, cleans well and lubricates the film superbly!

It is also one of the few film cleaners that works just as well on Polyester prints as it does on Acetate.

Not cheap but available here in the UK and for me, worth every penny as it lasts a long long time if used correctly.

Certainly for anyone who keeps their films in their original format with each reel having their original leads and tails, I don't believe there would be any negatives in using Filmguard as recommended.

This has been a subject on many film forums, I have been using a wax/silicone mixture for quite some time now, and I find it to be very good, some films that ran unstable now run very smoothly, even a well known film projector repairer has tried it, after asking me what it was. I had a film with VS that I have been treating once a month or so, last time I opened the case I could not smell it, maybe wishful thinking, I'm due to treat it again soon so I'll report back. The price of this is £3.99 for 500ml and it can be purchased on the high-street. I had a very dirty scratched standard 8 print from E-bay, a few passes with this cleaner, not only did it remove the dirt, and it was a lot, but I was amazed at the amount of scratches that disappeared when I projected it, it looked like a different film.

What's the name of this product Steve; have you used it on colour films? Phil can send Cresclene by courier, but not by Royal Mail. A few years back we received from Spain 2 of those musical birthday cards that were popular some years ago; when we tried to find some, one shop said they had been discontinued as Royal Mail wouldn't accept them.

Andrew is Filmguard safe to use on striped filmstock ? I was warned to be wary of this years ago when we used this stuff on our
film prints at the cinema where I worked as a projectionist.

I'm dubious of anything that has silicone in it, doesn't silicone eventually harden, I would love someone to say they have discovered
a tank of 2.22 for sale.

I am not using anything at the moment; I remember silicone being used in some teak furniture polish I had years ago. There seems to be negative comments about most of the film lubricants/ cleaners.

I only tried Film Renew or a silent 200' with a lot of stripes. Maybe it got a little better, but the stripes is still a plenty. Not sure if I'd dare to use many of them. Some say this will damage the mag stripe, some say this is not good, but use this instead. There's so many different opinions, not sure who is correct and it could take a lot of years to find out if it was a good choice. I do not know what 20 years of chemical smelling print lubricant would do.

Difficult this, so I mainly use the films like they are. Only wish I had a solution for a couple of warped prints to make the usuable (I would dare risk that, because they can't be watched anyway)

I think it would be too expensive to get my remaining 2.22 cleaner analysed.

My 16mm doesn't have the debris that my Super 8 did. All my Super 8s were treated with anti-static lubricant, I used the clean the film path frequently, and always the gate before each showing, yet still used to end up with magnified dust/fluff on the screen; it was annoying trying to watch a film with what looked like a spiders leg moving about on screen, then before showing the next reel I would clean the gate again. Never had this problem with 16mm?

In answer to David's earlier question. This, I've found is one of Filmguards strongest points...the fact that it is extremely kind to any mag stripe, laminated or pasted. It's one of the main "selling points" in it's questions and answers spiel.

I have used it now for 4 years and I know people who have used it for well over a decade. No major adverse effects to date with their prints.

The only drawbacks that I've found is the already mentioned adverse effect on inferior capstans and a slight weakening of one or two splices before wiping excess FG away.

The benefits of this formula far outweigh the one or two minor negative attributes of this fine cleaner, lubricant and scratch eliminator .

Vidar asks about FilmRenew being safe, I imported a couple of gallons about twelve years ago, used it up now, can't import it anymore,
but it is extremely gentle on film, relaxes warped film, does weaken plastic spools if soaking and weakens tape splices, but that aside
it is very safe. Worth taking a look at WWFF, Chris Smith has had a film with VS soaking for 8 years in Vitafilm and "uncorked" it a few
days ago, read of his results, very impressive.

Andrew thanks for your reply. I steered clear of this stuff until someone could confirm it is okay on stripe.
So Filmguard it is for me. I have already had a couple of prints had damaged stripe using other lubes and
cleaners. Cheers for that.

Film renew is also excellent I believe David, but you just cannot seem to get it in the UK as Hugh has already expressed a few posts back.

I have heard this from many that they no longer can get hold of FilmRenew.

Here's a cleaner I haven't heard of before: http://www.relspec.com/applications/film...ng-solvent.html

Well spotted Robert, although the more I read of Gentech, the less I like it. It seems it has no properties for lubrication or scratch cover,
probably just like Thermofilm used to be, you put it on, and see no results, just a dry cloth and a dry film. Methylated Spirits would do the same job, only cheaper.

Well, I knew I had some, and I just found it, 2.22 !!!. ITs a large red tin, I'm guessing 500ml, 2/3 full , it didn't have the over whelming smell I remembered it had, does it go off ???.
I wondered would it be safe to use on film now, this must be 30years old at least. What's your thoughts gentlemen please. Could it be reverse engineered ???.

Hi Paul, well done you. As for it deteriorating over the years, I wouldn't think so, although you might try it on a bit of spare
film to be sure, but I would think it should be safe, Robert has a bit left too, wish I did. It was in my opinion the
best film treatment made, it made no promises it couldn't keep, great for hiding marks and "did exactly what it said on the tin", although it used to be sold in jars when first produced and it was very viscous then. Just to allay any fears of stripe damage, 2.22
was recommended for use on recording tape and LPs, I've used it on LPs to no adverse effect, it was anti static too.