What's a reasonable price for a good print in your country?

#1 by Vidar Olavesen , Thu Aug 06, 2015 10:28 pm

I wonder how pricing differs from country to country. I have a feel Nordic countries have quite low prices

A good print here would probably not be more than 100GBP, of course it depends on which film it is. But a normal, common film. I have gotten quite a few for the nice price of 10 to 20 GBP, with some splices maybe, but in overall nice condition.


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#2 by Robert Crewdson ( deleted ) , Fri Aug 07, 2015 11:48 am

I noticed on the site of a French dealer his price for a feature is about 260 Euros, which seems quite high. I bought a fairly high profile film for £90 and it was in bad condition, then from the same seller I bought a lesser known title for £30 in much better condition. Some of the U.S. Ebay sellers have low 'Buy it Now' prices, but the problem in the UK is postage and import duty. The most I paid in the UK is £129, that was for the Errol Flynn film 'The Charge of the Light Brigade'; I don't think I would want to go above that. I think people asking £170 or more is too much, especially B&W. Remember there are a limited number of film collectors out there. Some of these dealers have the films on their hands for a few years because they are asking too much.



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#3 by Hugh Thompson Scott ( deleted ) , Fri Aug 07, 2015 11:41 pm

That is a good question Robert, it boils down really to what you are prepared to pay and of course title and condition. Then there is
the added question, will you buy a faded print? If its a film I want, sure, even if I have to import it. Ebay, for all its frailties has
provided me with titles that were unthinkable before. I would expect to pay around the £100.00 - £150.00 for a good colour feature,
£)£30.00 or so for a red print, although if its a rare title, these prices can escalate considerably in a bidding war.



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RE: What's a reasonable price for a good print in your country?

#4 by Vidar Olavesen , Fri Aug 07, 2015 11:44 pm

Would you sell for those prices too, Hugh? I'd happily give you 150 GBP for The Thing 16mm :-)

One is allowed to dream, right? :-)


 
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#5 by Hugh Thompson Scott ( deleted ) , Fri Aug 07, 2015 11:49 pm

I've got to hand it to Vidar, he is certainly a trier, rest assured Vidar, if I have to part company with it, you are the man who
will inherit it, no one else.



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#6 by Vidar Olavesen , Fri Aug 07, 2015 11:51 pm

Sounds good :-) Thanks


 
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#7 by Robert Crewdson ( deleted ) , Fri Aug 07, 2015 11:56 pm

Paul Foster has a number of 50s and 60s musical films, I've seen a few, they are not that great, they may be quite rare, but the prices are a bit high I think. First of all you have to find someone that likes that type of music (OK with me), but the chances are, they are not film collectors, or own a projector, they are most likely, just record collectors. Still, I might be surprised, and next update, they could be sold.

Some films are priced according to how popular the main star is; the film that should have cost me the most, because of rarity, only cost me £36, because the stars from the 1930s are not that well known today.

I can tell you Vidar, that my favourite print 'The Masked Pirate' cost me £30, but I wouldn't accept £100 for it.



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#8 by Vidar Olavesen , Fri Aug 07, 2015 11:57 pm

:-) I know what you mean :-)


 
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RE: What's a reasonable price for a good print in your country?

#9 by Vidar Olavesen , Sat Aug 08, 2015 12:06 am

About those prices, at 150 GBP would you expect perfect colours, no splices, no lines? Or is some accepted?


 
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RE: What's a reasonable price for a good print in your country?

#10 by David Hardy ( deleted ) , Sat Aug 08, 2015 12:39 am

There is a trend here in the UK that USA/UK films that have foreign subtitles are not worth much and have no real value.
I have seen 35mm prints of modern films sell for as little as £20-30 because they have subtitles.


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#11 by Hugh Thompson Scott ( deleted ) , Sat Aug 08, 2015 12:56 am

Hi David, I have a few with foreign subtitles, all stunning colour too. It is suprising how one forgets the titles and gets involved
in the story. Just imagine prints of your favourite film with foreign sub titles for a song. I live for prints of "Wicker Man" or "Caligula"
on 16mm.



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#12 by Robert Crewdson ( deleted ) , Sat Aug 08, 2015 10:30 am

Vidar, I think CHC are selling 'Whisky Galore' around the £170 mark. Everything I have bought from them has been great; but if you were buying elsewhere I think at those prices you would expect one in excellent condition, with full beginning and end titles. Most likely to get a film in that condition it will be a TV print.



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#13 by David Hardy ( deleted ) , Sat Aug 08, 2015 10:31 am

Hi Hugh
Subtitled prints of English speaking films is not something I am interested in but I agree as to the cheapness of such prints.


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RE: What's a reasonable price for a good print in your country?

#14 by Vidar Olavesen , Sat Aug 08, 2015 10:39 am

I too prefer non-subtitled prints, but we do mostly get our cheap prints here in Scandinavia with subtitles. I mean, I paid 1 GBP for He Who Finds a Friend, Finds a Treasure and many titles for 5 GBP like A Passage to India (great colour), The Day of the Jackal (B- colour), A Sense of Freedom.

Also paid about 15 GBP for my Dracula '79 with (B- maybe C+ colour), Body Double (great colour, a bit splicey, but runs decently) and feel happy with those buys. Splash, The Money Pit, Up the Creek and stuff like that were about 10-20 GBP each too. So subtitled are okay, if that makes the price in those ranges


 
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#15 by Robert Crewdson ( deleted ) , Sat Aug 08, 2015 4:50 pm

There's another thing to consider when buying 16mm features, which were never intended to be sold for home use; do you buy a film with subtitles, like Hugh has, or do you wait in the hope that another copy will come along?. Some titles you come across more than once, but most of what I have bought I have not seen again on offer. Subtitles may not be ideal, but I would think after a while you are so absorbed in the film you don't notice them.



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#16 by Hugh Thompson Scott ( deleted ) , Mon Aug 10, 2015 10:30 pm

It is true Robert, if the film is interesting, you ignore the subs, recently Susan and I watched "10 to Midnight", a Chas Bronson actioner, like the other two I have, it looks like LPP stock, colour is great, if prints were made available of "The Wicker Man", subtitled, my fingers
would be a blur putting a bid in. Sometimes its a case of chance, if your movie turns up with a foreign soundtrack or subs, me, it isn't too
much of a problem, two of my favourite 16MM spaghetti westerns have a German soundtrack, "The Big Silence" & "The Hellbenders", but
the brilliant Ennio Morricone soundtracks make up for that, apart from which I've never seen the first anywhere, the second I saw once in the "BIG REEL" publication some years ago. Another rarity, I've never ever seen another, was "Die Schlangengrube und das Pendel"
a horror epic AKA "The Blood Demon" with Lex Barker and Sir Chris Lee, a stunning AGFA print that does full justice to the rich colour. I
doubt if one would ever turn up again, so I am glad I bought it when I did, it was over 300 Euros plus post from Germany, but worth every coin to me.



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RE: What's a reasonable price for a good print in your country?

#17 by Kurt Jensen ( deleted ) , Tue Aug 11, 2015 12:07 am

Interesting to read your comments about subtitles here!
Initially we all want prints with the original soundtrack (no dubbing) and no subtitles of course.
In Scandinavia we're used to have a lot of prints around with subtitles, but they all have the original soundtrack!
But I've noticed that in Britain and in the US there is absolutely NO interest for any of these prints unless it's a very rare title!
I've tried to sell a practically mint polyester low fade print of 1986 DELTA FORCE at Blackpool some years ago and there was NO interest!
Even though I was asking only £10! Many would love to have the film but the subtitles scared people away.....
However I've seen some of these prints with subtitles go quite high on Ebay when bought by collectors from Italy, Spain, France or Germany.
All these countries dub their films so finding a copy with the original soundtrack is difficult.
1982 STAR TREK: THE WRATH OF KAHN went for a hefty price some years back to a buyer in Italy.!
But a US or British print without subtitles would cost a fortune so the new owner of "KAHN" probably was happy anyway!
Like Vidar mentioned in an earlier post here, we can sometimes get a full feature for as little as a few pounds.
But in the film collecting club here in Norway we try to have "film-buddy" prices. And taking a chance buying a feature is not too bad when it only cost a few pounds!


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#18 by Vidar Olavesen , Tue Aug 11, 2015 12:26 am

You still want to sell your Delta Force? I am in :-)


 
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#19 by Kurt Jensen ( deleted ) , Tue Aug 11, 2015 12:55 am

I might have sold DELTA FORCE Vidar, I'm not sure......

If I find it I'll watch it again, after all it's Lee Marvins last film, and if I decide to sell it you got it!


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#20 by Robert Crewdson ( deleted ) , Tue Aug 11, 2015 1:59 pm

Hugh< I bet that Charles Bronson film is great, before he died one of the TV channels showed a lot of his movies, all very good.



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#21 by Hugh Thompson Scott ( deleted ) , Tue Aug 11, 2015 8:17 pm

Hi Robert, yes its a good film, it keeps you guessing as to how he will catch a very dangerous killer. I remember when he died, on the BBC, they were showing "Once Upon A Time In The West", during which Charlie passed away, which is so sad, but fitting that he left
us while his greatest western was being transmitted.



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RE: What's a reasonable price for a good print in your country?

#22 by Robert Crewdson ( deleted ) , Tue Aug 11, 2015 8:31 pm

There is currently a Romanian on Ebay hoping to get about £750 for a B&W feature. Where do they get these prices from.



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RE: What's a reasonable price for a good print in your country?

#23 by Deleted User , Sat Sep 05, 2015 6:45 pm

Interesting topic, Vidar!

Here are a couple of important factors the way I see it:

1) In country prices of local films are in demand and therefore higher (like a Norwegian film in Norway for example)
2) German collectors generally prefer films dubbed in German (this affects the prices of English language ("OV") films in Germany - they are generally priced lower than German dubbed prints!
3) In English speaking countries, English sound films with subtitles are generally in very low demand, in fact some might even prefer dubbed prints, can you believe it?!
4) The number of film collectors in country. For example, the US has probably the largest number of collectors of any country. Ergo higher demand and prices (the same is probably true also for the UK and Germany)
5) The remoteness of a country (shipping prices from) and import duties for goods from this country (for example, it's probably harder to sell from Norway to Germany than it is from Netherlands to Germany...Also it is easier for Australians to sell to New Zealand than it is to the US...so prints form some cheaper countries may never see other markets, therefore not influencing other countries pricing...
6a) In which period prints were made (or ceased to be made). For example, in Norway, I don't think for example 16mm prints were shown beyond the late 1980s (Kurt / Vidar, please correct me if I'm wrong). Therefore prints after this decade would be in relative high demand and more expensive than those from the 1980s (as prints after this would have to have been imported).
6b) When the country went digital. Some countries (like Norway) went fully digital before most others. Prints from last decade would be rare (or non-existent?)

...and there are probably many factors to take into account...

Ole



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RE: What's a reasonable price for a good print in your country?

#24 by Hugh Thompson Scott ( deleted ) , Sat Sep 05, 2015 7:54 pm

I just Wish Ole, we could all pick up prints at the prices in Norway, although I still think Vidar is the leader of some gang that
persuades people to part with their films for very little money, Heh Heh Heh. No offense Vidar, but I am thinking a Nordic Al Capone. "Gimme your films sweetheart or else".



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RE: What's a reasonable price for a good print in your country?

#25 by Vidar Olavesen , Sat Sep 05, 2015 8:03 pm

I just make them an offer they can't refuse (chin scratch)


 
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