Quote: Mark Mander wrote in post #5
I have a Chinon SS1200 and have never had a problem with it nor has it ever scratched a film, as you said Thomas others haven't been so lucky with the same model, look at high end Elmo's, they have a terrible reputation for scratching films, I also have these models, as all of us have also said though, a lot of plastic parts, if you keep an eye on them and replace when needed you shouldn't have any problems, isn't that the same for any machine? Mark
Yes, I still cringe when I view one of my precious prints that are covered in lines caused by the first Elmo ST-1200HD that I bought almost 30 years ago. It was a well-used machine when I got it -- this was just a few years before the web became popular and eBay was available. I got it through a classified ad in a printed list I was sent periodically from "Media Arts Associates" run by Roger Williams. It took forever to ship, even though it was within the U.S. The seller was a decent guy -- he actually called me a few times with updates, not always just to return my calls. He said he was having his technician service it -- but I can tell you that within a few weeks, it started to run slow, and then I had to get new belts -- I actually got them from Elmo in Canada. The price back then was roughly the same price you would pay today on eBay for the same machine. Yet about 10 years later I picked up a barely used ST-1200HD for less money, and (knock on wood) has not scratched any of my prints.
For machines like Chinons, I'm not sure if replacement guides are being made by Van Eck as for the Elmos.
Quote: Tom Photiou wrote in post #6
Unfortunatly, people try it on and will over play anything to make money, we see it all the time, as you said, it is up to buyers to do some research.
The biggest problem with just about every brand now is that they have all reached an age where damage to films is a risk, not everyone is fortunate enough to be able to get them serviced and repaired or have some spares.
Something I and others have often said is, you can have all the most expensive top titles in the world, but as time goes on and the projectors become much harder to find (we are a long way off from that at the moment) then collections could be useless with little or nothing to project them on, sellers of projectors like this with these descriptions, are cashing in now.
I do hope we are a long way off, but it still seems as though projectors are plentiful, even the most popular ones like Elmos, Sankyos and Eumigs. My biggest fear is when the lamps are unavailable -- as we talked about earlier this year, the exciter lamps used by many Elmo and Eiki 16mm projectors have been discontinued, so I stocked up on 3 of them just on case. I doubt the EFP and EFR are going away anytime soon (used in medical industry), but then again, you never know, and all things are eventually discontinued and replaced by the latest and greatest. I have attempted upgrading old projectors that use the $100 plus incandescent bulbs, but I haven't been entirely sucessful.
Back to the Chinons, I see that Lee Mannering (also a member here) wrote on the other channel a year ago about restoring a Chinon 7500. He used silicon spray to coat the plastic parts to reduce the potential for scratching, something that I might try on my projectors like the Elmos. I do often wonder how many projector owners maintained their Chinons or any of their other projectors -- particularly in keeping the entire film path clean. I often assume that people know what they are doing -- but that often isn't a valid assumption. That being said, I was meticulous in keeping my first Elmo's path clean, cleaning it with alcohol on a foam swab before every use -- plus a quick clean of the gate between reels (something I still do today on all my machines.) Yet I could not keep away the scratches until years later when I read on web forums about the lower green guide getting worn -- which was exactly what was causing my issue. I solved it by applying a piece of slicing tape over the worn area. Believe it or not, it worked like a charm.
I'm almost tempted to get a Chinon just for giggles -- they are relatively inexpensive compared to Elmos, Sankyos, and Eumigs, but the ones that appear to be almost as new (in original packaging, etc.) do go for $200+, which still isn't cheap, especially when just for giggles. Because of potential wear to the plastic gate, only a lightly used machine would be worthwhile. Most take the DNE lamp, which is desirable since it is 150 Watts, but undesirable for its 15 hour expected life. Some take the EFR lamp, but that is for only outside North America, and in that case I assume the mains supply would need to be 220 volts. I have seen some for North America that take the EFP. The only thing that a Chinon could add value to, for me, would be a brighter lamp than most of my EFP machines. My only 150 watt sound machine is my ST-1200HD, though frankly I don't notice a much brighter picture than my EFP 100 watt machines.
Regarding the plastic gate on Chinons, I have read that some had metal gates, depending upon the model, but I haven't been able to work out which models. Then some people have said only the pressure pad was plastic, not the gate. Very confusing.
I don't need yet another projector, but now I have become intrigued by the polarizing effect of the Chinon.