Following on from my other thread, i have started this new one as i found the magazine with Dereck Simmons report on "That oxide stripe", please click on each page to read as i have uploaded the three pages in full size.
This is from FFTC number 17. A very interesting read and it does explain how Derann did actually save the super 8 industry as far as new releases were concerned. Enjoy,

Great read!

one of the most influential pieces I've ever read within this hobby. I loved reading it in the past and I loved reading it again this evening.

Thanks for posting it here Tom. Just brilliant!

That was a great read. Thanks so much for posting that Tom as well as the Fumeo report.
I have never seen this article anywhere. Derek was a visionary as well as a perfectionist in this hobby. He and the staff of Derann elevated Super 8 to a new level and got me back into the hobby. First feature length print I ever purchased was "Beauty and the Beast". I was stunned at the picture quality. And the re-record is incredible sounding.
Thats Derann for you!

Thanks Tom !!!

This is excellent !!

Unfortunately, I rode first page, but when I select page 2, this is a picture Gallery which show up !!!

Could it be possible to get the pages as PDF files ?

Also, what is date for this news ?

It was written as Tom says in FFTC 17, which was of course a fairly early edition.
Somewhere in mid 90's I'd guess without digging out all my editions to check exactly when.

Fantastic read. Thanks, Tom.

The FFTC series had loads of informative articles just like these two gems here written in them.

These in themselves, really are a "must have" in terms of collectables for any Super 8mm package home movie enthusiast, whenever you see them surface.

Almost a diary of all the later releases from when the quality of prints really went through the roof on Super 8mm.

Thanks for information Andrew.

So, does that mean that DERANN prints produced from Mid 90's untill the End of business were Paste Stripped, or Paste-Stripped was a temporary solution just the time to find out Pre-laminated new material ?

As I said earlier Phil, I don't even know if there is a definitive "switch over" point in time as Derek did acquire some huge inventory of what remaining pre laminated stocks were out there and he began investing in the future before it was actually needed.

Often in the mid period, it is a 50/50 chance as to what you get but this matters none to me. All CAN sound good or bad on any given day as per original recordings.
Don''t let any of it ever put you off buying, they can all be made good, even if the sound is low, dull or " hissy " to begin with!
Peeling stripe is extremely unlikely in any example you will ever be given.

If anyone reads page one, then page two comes up with an error, hit the backpage then go back in and click on page 2 again, this should work. Thats what i had to do and it did seem to work ok.
Thankss for the kind comments. It is a good read, i had had almost forgotten it until the sunject came up.

An Inspirational one too Tom, proving once again that it is only determination that stands between ourselves and our end goals, young or old.

Despite the "knockers" and kill joys of this world, let this script serve to inspire us all in our hobbies as well as our everyday lives.

Hello,

How can I find document above mentionned "Mission Impossible" from Derann in "pdf" file ?

Also anything concerning Stripe application process is welcome (more particularly production machines)

Much thanks in advance.

Philippe

Hello Phil, Ged has recently uploaded a long article about this, and its an on going feature to his facebook page, mainly due to the hiccup of costing and what can and cannot be be done and by who recently. Sadly this may well hold up the new prints from David Baker, who has promised the forum members he is sorting it out, and to stay tuned folks !!!!!!. I hope that all involved
on both sides can come to an amiable conclusion and agree for the future new products, each relies on the other. Not sure what you want to know about this Phil, PM me if want ask off the forum. The machines that derann had were magnatec machines converted to accommodate super 8mm from 16mm and 35 mm machines. The paste "slurry" is a whole different story and the long and winding road to getting it right, and much money and film wasted to get there.

Even when it worked though, the high amount of glue used to keep it on the film often resulted in poorer sound quality to what we were use to in the past with the pre striped stock, it is evident on many releases, Die Hard for one, (depending on the year your print was made) and especially the xmas caper animated release, the hiss and bumps on the sound is not good.
I'm still convinced all films with the oxide sludge paste is bad in the long term for the projector heads.

Thanks Paul , Tom, for your answers.

Unfortunately, I have no "Facebook" account and have not planned to subscribe to.

So, If I have well understood, to sum up, it seems there is not enough competition between Striping services :
There are still some companies which have a perfect "savoir-faire" and knowledge concerning magnetic tapes production at a high level of quality.

The chalenge is to motivate them bringging all the informations necessary to accept the business.

40 years later, technics have enhanced a lot. I assume that associating modern processings to striping will improve cost and quality.
However there is a balance to find between necessary investments and Super 8 volume production expected.

Less expensive Striping process is, less expensive a super 8 print will be. ........ and more super 8 prints will be sold.
quality is essential as the copies must last 100 years !!!

I agree with Tom there is no futur for former "liquid" strip application process without incorporating substancial upgradings.
I assume Bonded Stripe application is a good alternative (Quality / Cost rate).
Sure sound is much better with bonded stripes and safer for magnetic heads at the end.

To follow......

Hope this works should be a pdf of those three images. [[File:Derann-report-That-Derann-Stripe.pdf]]

PERFECT DAVID THANK YOU ......

Many thanks David for the pdf "fusion" !!!

What was the date of Derek's article?
He says he refers to stock for printing, not camera stock.
I used pre-striped cartridges for my Bell & Howell sound camera for many years until Kodak discontinued them due to the chemicals involved being too dangerous to work with. Such a pity.
I have lots of sound films of my children, including a visit to Bristol Zoo (soon to be sold for house building). My children are now in their fifties.
Happy days.