I have just had a thought that from now on it may a good idea to give an indication
as to what size the actual screen images were that the screenshot came from.
That way it could give a better and fairer indication as to just how good the print
actually is.
So for example if the projected image was say 5 feet or 6 feet wide we should say so.
What do you think ?

One reason I ask this is that even a poor to moderate quality image can sometimes pass
as good if projected on a small screen.
A fairer assessment and representation of the actual quality of the image shows up better on a
screen 3 and a half feet or larger especially for 8mm.

Very good point David, and one to consider for the screen shot uploads. My shots tend to about four foot from the screen, and picture is approx the same with a standard not scope print. I would hope that non would hoodwink you into thinking it was better than it actually was, but perhaps I'm just honest with people, like the rest of us on here I'm sure. I have seen ebay screenshots that look like there from a dvd projector, and there's not a chance of the seller telling you its anything but the "print" they are selling "honest". I will definitely be adding this info to my shots next time, after all this is how we view them, not close up with a magnifying glass.

Paul thanks for your views about this topic.
I have not as yet posted any screenshots at all but when I do I
shall be informing the forum of the image size involved and the distance from
the screen. That way a fair judgement can be made by others as to the actual
print quality taking into account variables such as camera used and screen brightness.

Hmmmmmmm !!!! There does not seem to be much interest in this so far.
I guess most of you must be watching " Crapball " on TV.
It always amuses me how watching some guys chasing and kicking a bag of air up and down
a grassy park gets so much interest and credibility as entertainment.

I totally agree David.

With myself, it varies, with 'scope I let it go 10' , on normal format, I would normally take it at 6' wide, but at either end of the room are two huge chandeliers, one catches the picture slightly, so it is usually a four foot picture to keep clear. One feature I had trouble with was "Beast", I ended up using a tripod silver screen to access shots, it is probably down to me, someone like Andrew or Vidar could no doubt do much better, as I struggle at times with digital pictures, which again is a factor in presentation. I feel that when the pictures
are transferred to computer, they lose something, everything seems flattened, probably just me David.
P.S. I'm not a footie fan either.

Hugh thanks for your input on this topic. I feel this is a very important factor so we
can get a reasonable impression of the actual image quality taking into account any losses incurred
during the transfer via camera and the computer.
Screen size is an important variable to me and I don't like the idea of being duped into believing
the print is very good when it is really just average or poor.
So I hope the images we see on screenshots are not taken off of a miniscule screen size around
2 feet wide ( 61cm ) or less 6 inches wide ( 65cm ) or even less.
That would be joke indeed and a con.
I am most happy to hear you are not a " footie fan " too.

I think this item i am going to show you make life so very easy for putting multiple screenshots on here if, like me, you use i small digital camera or phone to take you images.
To start with the photos i take are huge and if i uploaded all my images at there normal size i wouldn't be able to upload, they would take too long and be too big.
So for anyone doing digital camera size images,(i dont reduce my screen size i do them as i watch normally). Take a look at this simple instruction here on youtube, it works perfectly for me i can upload shed loads in seconds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19GbI6oFrW0

I don't watch 'crapball' either, the screenshots I posted before were all from a 50" screen, at a distance of about 8ft. The lens I had at the time was 1.9, which was very poor, the lens I have now is 1.4, so any screenshots I can do later, should be better.

I honestly don't think anyone on here would deceive or "con" anyone David, as there are no films being sold, its just showing
what we have in our collections as we show them, indeed I often wonder if I am doing things right, lovely prints suddenly have
the "red" print look when they're actually fine, put that down to the picture taker.... me, as I said before, people more skilled
than I could no doubt make a better fist of it.

What's " Crapball? " I'm sorry I've never heard of this unusual sport????
All I know is the Beautiful Game!!

"AGUEROOOOoooo....I Swear You'll never see anything like this ever again!"

"Watch it...drink it in!"

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1vMRb8XhFJw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81bv_gF4j5k

As for topic..my screenshots are always from the full sized image on the screen and I try to make a note of conditions i.e. daylight, pj and lens used to capture etc etc, to accompany them just for comparison checks.

That was a real intense end to the season :-)

I agree Andrew, it can be beautiful. 2005 Istanbul was awesome

The Steve Gerrard show!

On the subject of "Footie", my apologies to David, Marseilles would appear to be a battleground, the better class of Hooligan
that would have knocked F'[;@ out of the opposition, have had their passports revoked, what we have are young lads, unskilled in
the art of street fighting, I could name a few handy lads that would have cleaned the French lot up before the next round of drinks, a likely lad in my home town, a martial artist, who demanded a proper police escort to the police station, cop cars in slow escort mode.
That is class, these bits of lads nowadays are a poor excuse for the proper hooligan. As for the Russians, just a bunch of vodka sodden twats, any sober man could take care of, a sad export from a great country that helped immeasurably during WW2. The beautiful game?,
who the hell thought that one up?

"The Beautiful Game..".horses for courses of course, as with anything in life!

Andrew, Rugby League, a more manly game, has no record of nastiness, the follower has no fear of reprisal from opposing teams,
they even drink together. Football has been hampered by such rules that if a player gives one a dirty look, its a free kick, I hope
these guys don't smudge their make up, or chip a nail," ooh ref, he called me a dirty name, the bitch!!", says it all.

Hmmmm , not sure it's quite like that Hugh, but agreed some like Sterling rolling around the floor every time a player comes within six inches of him definitely need to take a long hard look in the mirror that's for sure!
£50m..I bet Liverpool are laughing their balls off at our lot!! Not impressed one bit!!!!

Football, rightly or wrongly, has always been a tribal sport among supporters, though of course I would never condone the disgraceful scenes from France recently, or any violence anywhere for that matter!

Oh no Andrew, I condone violence if it comes our way first, get behind them and kick the livin' shit out of 'em. I have never been in
a scenario like that, but did put flight to a gang of thugs just by being me.... a lunatic, pulled a blade and run at them, they shit themselves, I confronted them later, not a peep out of them, one was a boyfriend of a girl who had the hots for Scott, he was known as "Tonto", I just informed him, cross me my son, you're one dead f';[[[..., Indian, result, one happy Scott.

Oh well Hugh, I can only think to myself that in my years on the planet ,violence never seems to solve anything, but of course, this is only my opinion as ever on these matters.

Off to get behind Irelands attempts in the tournament now anyhow, see you all later.

If you've avoided aggro Andrew, kudos lad, it followed me all through life, unwanted, but it was always there, there's always
somebody wants a shot, and I was always a quiet lad, but I've been there, one time as an apprentice, the lad I'd been suspended from
college through clobbering, was working with me on a job, a fly boy, thought he'd intimidate the lad, using his sister as bait, I just said
he could do whatever he wanted to him...through me, he shit his pants. Violence does have a part in life, Malcolm, became a friend, we
enjoyed the rest of our "time" in college as mates.

Just to steer us back on topic, thinking it through, it wouldn't make any difference how someone recorded their shots, you
can't make something look better than it is, think about it, otherwise we'd all be copying off computer. The film on screen,
whether it is 6'' wide or 6', makes no difference, exploded to the nth degree, is the same, you can't improve on the subject.
The laws of diminishing.

Haha! The threads in this forum has its own ways. Been away all day at, a birthday party and went here to catch up. Read the last post first in this thread about screenshots and screensize, and now we are discussing violence :-) I guess if you fight your projector screen setting it up before watching a film and it won't cooperate, using force may have its place if nothing else works . My view is that most problems in the world can be solved with a Leatherman, duct tape and WD40!

Agreed Hugh. Surely all a smaller captured image would bring about is a brighter image with less contrast.

Well that was my findings anyhow when I had no screen while decorating in the past.
In fact some of those small 18 inch images were just too washed out for the digital camera to capture correctly such were the brightness levels from relative close proximity.

If the print has negative sparkle or worse still an odd green line through it, this would show up just the same whether captured from a 18 inch or indeed an 18ft image though.

Difficult to comment really, I take screen shots of about 3', the reason I do this is sometimes the image from a camera doesn't do the film justice if the image is too large, also sometimes it looks redder than it actually is.


"AGUEROOOOoooo....I Swear You'll never see anything like this ever again!" I swear I'll never get tired of watching and hearing this, every time it makes the hairs stand on the back of the neck