SCREEN SIZE ... DOES IT MATTER TO YOU ?

#1 by David Hardy ( deleted ) , Tue May 31, 2016 9:43 pm

I like to think that we all on this forum project and watch our films on
a screen size that can do the film justice.
For me that means as large as we can go in order to respect the hard work that
has gone into making it.
I like to think I watch them on a size just as the Director , Cinematographer ,
and Colourist intended us to see it.
Of course its all a compromise as we don't see them in our home on a huge
Cinema Screen.
However there is a minimum I try to stick to and that is at least 4 feet Wide ( 122 cms )
for 4x3 aspect ratio. Also 6 Feet Wide ( 183 cms ) for Scope.
If really pushed I go down to 3 Feet Wide for 4x3.
Anything smaller than this in my opinion is just a joke and an insult.
What is your view on this ? ( No pun intended. )



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#2 by Vidar Olavesen , Tue May 31, 2016 9:52 pm

As big as we can get, agreed ... My screen width is 230cm I believe it was, but that's about the width of the room (I could have moved shelves, but where to keep the films?). I wish for more, but satiesfied with it as it is ... For now (when I win the lottery (and not 4 pounds), I'll build a bigger room)


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#3 by Andrew Woodcock , Tue May 31, 2016 9:56 pm

For serious viewing, I totally agree David. I use a 10ft Diagonal screen but this is just toy sized for what I could get out of the Beaulieu brightness levels if room was no object. If I could, I would double my screen size and sit further back (around 22ft away from the screen). Then we would be talking!

If I'm just checking a print over when it first arrives, I screen right down to an A4 sized piece of paper when necessary. I still enjoy watching them on a real projector even at these sizes but of course the bigger the better when it comes to ideal size to watch our films on, even if this same theory doesn't quite upstand for all in life!


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#4 by Hugh Thompson Scott ( deleted ) , Tue May 31, 2016 9:57 pm

A very good point Dave, myself, I have a permanent screen, at least presently, ten feet wide, but used mainly for normal projection
of about six. I can get away with this on the size of what used to be two classrooms,, but size is relevant to the viewer, a four foot
screen in a small room will have as much impact, even better with greater definition.



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#5 by David Hardy ( deleted ) , Tue May 31, 2016 10:08 pm

Way to go guys. I see you are "sensible" viewers.
I take your point Andrew on the preview of a print as I sometimes do this
but I don't really " watch it " then as I am only checking for faults on a "run through".


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#6 by Tom Photiou , Tue May 31, 2016 10:14 pm

As large as possible without using the full zoom as the contrast starts to go, minimum is same as you Dave, 5ft for 4:3, or 6-7 foot for scope. At present my Brother has a 10ft tri pod screen which he bought from Derann a long time ago,unfortunmatly its too big for him so we are in the process of trying it in my film room. If it works i have a new giant screen, yippee.


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#7 by Andrew Woodcock , Tue May 31, 2016 10:44 pm

That'd look great Tom in your superb man cave!

Wish I had a man cave or a cellar, god knows the house is old enough, it really should have one.


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#8 by Hugh Thompson Scott ( deleted ) , Tue May 31, 2016 10:51 pm

Tom won't be happy until he has Ennio Morricone and the Cantori Moderni in there doing his music, who knows, the little bugger
might pull it off, but can we all squeeze in?



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#9 by Andrew Woodcock , Tue May 31, 2016 10:52 pm


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#10 by David Hardy ( deleted ) , Tue May 31, 2016 10:52 pm

Tom 10 feet wide at home is brilliant. I hope it works out fine for you.
What is the throw in your room ?


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#11 by David Hardy ( deleted ) , Tue May 31, 2016 11:02 pm

I am really liking these replies to my question.
It kind of sorts out the " purists " from the "dabblers " if you understand
what I mean.
Those who watch movies on TV more than on a Film Projection set-up
( or even dare I say Video Projector set-up ) are to be viewed with some
suspicion as they are merely TV freaks as far as I am concerned.
You know the kind who bought into VHS / Betamax Video Tapes with
the excuse ... " I cant really afford film its just too expensive for me ".
They now hold the same reasons with DVD / BluRay.
FILM lovers my arse !!!


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#12 by Tom Photiou , Wed Jun 01, 2016 12:53 am

well Hugh,what a thought, Ennio and his orchestra for half time music. I may have trouble squeezing them all in,
Dave, the projector is 10 feet away from the screen & i use the 1.1 lens, it would fill it but im not sure if it would be too big, but i sure am going to try. pictures will follow.


 
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#13 by Andrew Woodcock , Wed Jun 01, 2016 1:57 am

At 10ft throw Tom, you will be struggling to keep away from the end of your zoom as you have spoken about.
To keep in the mid point of zoom on an 11 to 30mm Xenovaron F1.1 zoom lens, I have to site the projector some 24 ft away from my own 10ft screen.

I hope somehow though, you find a conclusion to the maths of this problem here.

Hopefully, you will achieve it just before hitting the minimum point on your zoom lens and you will be satisfied with the results!

The screen would certainly work and benefit your scope films here if nothing else, so there are some major advantages!


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#14 by Tom Photiou , Wed Jun 01, 2016 8:32 am

Im thinking the same way there andy.it may the big screen may be limited to the scope shows for my cave.possibly in the winter for big treats my front room and dinning room are seperated only by glass sliding doors.these are permenatly open and gives a very roomy 26ft from bay window to bay window so we can certainly utilize one off showings and i wouldnt have to dismantle anything other than the large tripod screen itself as we have several projectors to use. Fun times ahead


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#15 by David Hardy ( deleted ) , Wed Jun 01, 2016 9:34 am

Tom Andrew is correct as regards the Zoom Lens setting.
You certainly don't want to compromise the definition contrast or brightness
too much in order to project a 10 foot wide image.
Your second idea sounds about right though.
However you could always try and find a good quality Prime Lens with correct focal
length.
However I am afraid that they are as rare as hens teeth these days.
Personally I dislike Zoom lenses but we are stuck with them I am afraid as
a compromise no matter how good quality they may be.


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#16 by Andrew Woodcock , Wed Jun 01, 2016 10:16 am

With the seperate doors leading into your dining area, you have the perfect through lounge there by the sounds of things Tom, to both utilize the big screen while also keeping your lenses within the "sweet" spot.

Perfect, as you say, for the big occasion!

Who wouldn't give their right arm though to have a permanent screening room as you have there with or without a few tiny limitations?
I know I would!


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#17 by Del Phillipson ( deleted ) , Wed Jun 01, 2016 10:30 am

I project onto a white wall that is around 6/7' wide in my film room, it is the perfect set up for me, I have all my projectors, films, accessories in there so everything is close at hand. It's simply a case of plug in and watch .

I have always thought distance is the major factor for screen size, too close to a large screen strains your eyes, it's just getting it right for the size of the room.


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#18 by Andrew Woodcock , Wed Jun 01, 2016 10:53 am

In an ideal world, I'd have a 30ft long screening room, 10 to 15ft diagonal screen with motorized masking, the projector would be in a small booth some 28ft away from the screen and the nearest seat to the screen would be 20ft away.

Then I'd say you would be watching Super 8mm film in just about the optimum conditions.

Ah...we can dream!😂😊

The screen I use only works well if you sit quite close to the projector. Sit within 5ft of the screen and every flaw of none perfect film is highly visible and image clarity falls well below what is desirable.
Another reason why, if like me, you have no choice but to enjoy your films close to the projector itself for optimum image quality,...you want that projector noise to be the least that can ever be achieved from an actual running mechanism, while ever there is no booth or permanent set up involved.


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#19 by David Hardy ( deleted ) , Wed Jun 01, 2016 11:13 am

As a general rule you should always try and be seated at least 2.5 distance of your screen width for
Super 8mm. You can get away with 2 for 16mm.



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#20 by David Hardy ( deleted ) , Wed Jun 01, 2016 11:16 am

Yes Andrew that's the stuff that dreams are made of.


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#21 by Gwyn Morgan , Wed Jun 01, 2016 1:00 pm

My screen is the end attic wall so for scope I can go 7 X 3 and for widescreen I can get 4x4 .Before using the end wall i did have near enough the whole of floor to roof with a screen but although it was nice and large I was too close and it made for difficult viewing.
Personally I would sacrifice size to get a good definition and clarity as Andrew was eluding to.When you are watching I prefer a good clear picture with no "bleeding" on the edges if you know what I mean.
The other day I put a zoom on my fumeo and then the scope lens well the picture was off the wall and the ceiling it was like cinerama gone mad.
You really have to best make use of the space you got,it would be nice to go outside and project onto one of my white garden walls now that would be big but the weather against it.
Further I think alithough size matters sound is also important decent picture with good sound ,yes I too would like mr Morricone ,but hayho ........📽📽📽


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#22 by David Hardy ( deleted ) , Wed Jun 01, 2016 1:38 pm

Yes Gwyn I don't like to sacrifice definition and clarity in order to get a large
screen size. Kind of defeats the purpose as far as I am concerned.
However there is an absolute minimum I am willing to go to on projection.
If I cant meet this criteria I don't bother.


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