GS1200's are bloody heavy!

#1 by Barry Attwood , Tue Oct 06, 2015 11:27 am

I've just sold the GS1200 that was on my list (at last!), and I've been getting it ready for dispatch, and as I've a bad shoulder these days, I notice the weight of things more than I would have done, say 20 years ago, and boy are these projectors bloody heavy, I've picked up lighter 16mm machines in my time. I know it's got 3 motors, but boy it is very heavy for an 8mm machine, but I suppose it's got a lot to do with the die-cast body, still at least it's still chugging away, I wonder how many GS1200's were made and still going, it's an intersting thought, isn't it!


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#2 by Vidar Olavesen , Tue Oct 06, 2015 11:45 am

Agreed, they're silly heavy. Sent mine to Parsons for repair and package was over 24kg. Luckily Parcel2Go did it around 30 GBP


 
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#3 by Dave Alligan , Tue Oct 06, 2015 1:34 pm

Totally agree and I know they are bloody heavy, but still a great machine


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#4 by Andrew Woodcock , Tue Oct 06, 2015 1:58 pm

All the top models are a similar weight. My Beaulieu Stereo is around the same weight and when a Bauer Studio line machine is in its transport case it's even heavier!

Not made for guys over 70 to be throwing around that's for sure.


 
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#5 by Barry Attwood , Tue Oct 06, 2015 5:05 pm

Andrew,

I had a Beaulieu Stereo for a while as well, and you're right they are extremely heavy machines, it just seems that the old GS1200 is heavier (or the old memory is going, which is a possibility, now what's my name!).


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#6 by Vidar Olavesen , Tue Oct 06, 2015 5:09 pm

What are the specs on the Beaulieu Stereo? Model and reel capacity? What price range are they?


 
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#7 by Hugh Thompson Scott ( deleted ) , Tue Oct 06, 2015 5:50 pm

The old gentleman, whose films and projectors I inherited a few years ago, had a GS1200, among others, he was lifting them
and 16mm, he was 96 years old.



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#8 by Paul Browning , Tue Oct 06, 2015 6:25 pm

Bloody hell Hugh, was it Victor Mature in his Samson outfit !!!!. The GS1200 is some heavy beast for sure, but the xenon version is heavier. The beaulieu is not has heavy
as the GS, its about as heavy as the fumeo 9119. The beaulieu 708 is a fine machine Vidar, some nice features and 2200 ft capacity, it has that variable shutter that automatically
changes when the speed change is made, a quiet running long play machine, and very good light output from its fast pull down design, its suppose to be brighter than the GS1200
250w lamp even though its only 200w lamp, I cannot confirm this though, perhaps a test shoot out is on the cards ???.



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#9 by Hugh Thompson Scott ( deleted ) , Tue Oct 06, 2015 6:33 pm

Heh, Heh, the old fellers name was Mr Templeman, his son reckoned that's what got him, was lifting these heavyweight
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#10 by Andrew Woodcock , Tue Oct 06, 2015 7:16 pm

Hi Vidar, just to clarify, the Beaulieu shutter does not change itself when the speed is changed. It's light output is on parity with a GS 1200 when in 2 blade shutter mode.
Not all Beaulieu models have a 2/3 bladed shutter. The mono and later duo play models have only a standard 3 bladed shutter.

The only model that comes with a variable shutter which can be manually adjusted is the later still Stereo model. Anything after the introduction of this model will also have this facility including the ultimate model.. the HTI.

The HTI is known to be brighter than the Elmo GS1200 Xenon.
There are other improvements made to the Stereo model that were not introduced to the earlier model, for example adjustable lamp holder, scope lens attachment, improved spindle design etc etc.



 
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#11 by Vidar Olavesen , Tue Oct 06, 2015 7:18 pm

Okay, but you agree it's a good machine? What price ranges are these? I know the Fumeo is very expensive, is this in the same range?


 
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#12 by Andrew Woodcock , Tue Oct 06, 2015 7:27 pm

Yes.


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#13 by Vidar Olavesen , Tue Oct 06, 2015 7:30 pm

To both? Both a good machine in in Fumeo price range?


 
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#14 by Paul Browning , Tue Oct 06, 2015 8:14 pm

Fumeo 9119 is not as expensive as a beaulieu, because it is not a stereo model, although there is a better machine, not sure of the number Vidar, its a real beast of a machine,
not to be moved around by even Samson !!!!. There is an hti beaulieu 708 and it is brighter at first, but it falls off quicker than the Elmo's xenon lamp, but you try finding one ??,
for love nor money will you, and there is an Elmo gs1200 HTI which is very bright. The fumeo 9119 is a damn good work horse but not stereo, I don't know where you get the high price from Vidar, its about on par with a second hand
Gs, well mine was, but its sound is low, Hugh's you the man on these, he love's them, and i will love mine more when the sound is sorted out, I guess its a trip to Bill Parson.
You can still get the spares for the Beaulieu, sound heads and loads of other bits, not so for the fumeo, so if you are looking for and long play unit, you can get the bits for, its
a Beaulieu, other than that the fumeo 9119 which is the most common model, or if you got a Spondon long play unit any projector, maybe some are more suited than others.


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#15 by Andrew Woodcock , Tue Oct 06, 2015 8:16 pm

I am not too sure what the question is here Vidar but Beaulieu prices vary wildly depending on model, age and condition.

The mono basic models in working condition can be found from around £400.

The later duo play models begin at around £500 for a half decent one.

The Stereo starts at around £750 but one of the last ones sold here in the UK by Ian went for around £1200 (I think, maybe even more)

The Studio 93 model, when you can find one would be priced £1250 upwards.

The HTI models are very rare. Nobody sells one working for less than £1500 and many go for much much more.

The ultimate machine Paul quite correctly speaks of is the Fumeo 9145.
Try and find one of these if you may!



 
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#16 by Paul Browning , Tue Oct 06, 2015 8:21 pm

I got my stereo Beaulieu for much less than that Andrew, from a fellow forum member, and it has the digital frame counter. They do come up Vidar, but buyer beware. I
got lucky from an all round nice forum member.


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#17 by Andrew Woodcock , Tue Oct 06, 2015 8:25 pm

Good on you Paul. It's always nice when you hear of someone getting a bargain!



 
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#18 by Vidar Olavesen , Tue Oct 06, 2015 8:26 pm

The question was compared to a GS or Fumeo price on the stereo models. I would love to find a good stereo and 1200' capacity that would be steadier than the GS and not as picky on non perfect prints

Thanks Mr. Browning, I do think 2000 is a bit high but around the 1000 isn't too bad



 
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#19 by Andrew Woodcock , Tue Oct 06, 2015 8:31 pm

You are already talking about it Vidar. Except 2200ft instead of 1200ft capacity.

They have to be right though. There are plenty out there that have seen plenty of abuse. These are good workers given the TLC all machines deserve.

Mine runs all prints without fuss but acetate prints are noisier in the gate than polyester. Polyester prints run very quietly and smoothly through the machine. Even better with filmguard used on all prints.

Even the acetate prints are no noisier than my ST1200 with any print just to give you some indication of what we are talking.



 
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#20 by Paul Browning , Tue Oct 06, 2015 8:38 pm

There is only a couple of others I can think of with 1200ft capacity, Chinon's ss1200, and the elusive fujiscope sh model , not sure of the number, and one other the name escape's me
at the moment Vidar, but its made by Fuji anyway, it got a digtal film counter and pulse sync stuff. The latter machines a don't think you would get any spares for them let alone
find them, although I think CHC has a fumeo 9119, and the chinon SS 1200. I would to find one of those Fuji machines, very good apparently.


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#21 by Andrew Woodcock , Tue Oct 06, 2015 8:40 pm

SH 30 Paul, great machine but as Barry recently said, not without issues as they age and the lamps will not be available for too much longer.

Vary rare type 21v 150w.


 
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#22 by Paul Browning , Tue Oct 06, 2015 8:43 pm

That's the one Andrew, I didn't know the lamp was an odd ball, well ripe for my mod then !!!.


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#23 by Andrew Woodcock , Tue Oct 06, 2015 8:44 pm

The later Fuji was "better than Sushi" as was once famously stated!
The top of the range Yelco is an identical rebadged copy.

Once the electronics fail on these they usually now cannot be repaired as the chipsets used are long gone now


 
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#24 by Andrew Woodcock , Tue Oct 06, 2015 8:45 pm

Yes Paul,something immediate would be needed if you were to find one.
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#25 by Paul Browning , Tue Oct 06, 2015 8:52 pm

Ha yes Andrew, the Yelco THATS IT, I was thinking Tacnon for some reason, but that's just TACKY LOL. Narrows down the choice then VIDAR, either you go up on capacity with
beaulieu because of the spares, or stick with the Gs. I just wondered why you get this on the Elmo, they can be a bit fickle sometimes, like most though it can be sorted.


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